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F train at rush hour(s)? — Brooklynian

F train at rush hour(s)?

tuckpendleton
edited November -1 in Park Slope
Am in the midst of considering moving, and would be closer to the F than the Q or 2/3 for commuting during the week.

How is the F train in the morning? Is it packed? By the 9th St. stop? Or does it get more packed once in Manhattan? Should I just walk the extra blocks and keep taking the 2/3 or Q?

Obviously it's a local, but if it's a little less crowded then maybe it is worth it...

Thoughts?

Comments

  • It depends on the time for the F. I take it at about 7am now, and it's generally not that crowded - but if I need to go in an hour later for any reason, it usually seems to be a mess.
  • The Q is probably the best line out there. The F gets pretty packed and is sporadic (at least from what I remember), before the MTA started enforcing this I'd ride between cars (you had to climb in between from the platform) to get to Manhattan during rush hour. plus you're making tons of local stops in Brooklyn and Manhattan. Stick with the Q.
  • I usually take the F around 8:00 - 8:15 am and it is generally OK, although nothing to get excited about.

    At 15th Street I can generally get a seat, but by the time it gets to 7th Avenue it's standing room only. People getting on in Carrol Gardens are lucky to fit in at all, I'd hate to be them.

    When I've taken it at 7:00 - 7:30 am it's been much better, and after 8:30 it's gradually eases up.

    Although - seat or not, it never feels fast. Especially if you get stuck behind a G train.
  • If you happen to start work at 10am like I do, its not bad at all, especially compared to the flakey R. If I leave my apartment (a few blocks from the 4th ave stop) at 9:18, I'll get to 49th st at 10.
  • I take the F from the 7th Avenue stop each morning around 8am. It is pretty crowded by then but I can usually get a seat - if not at 7th Avenue, definitely by Jay Street. (It's all a matter of positioning yourself by the right person, who looks like they'll be getting off to transfer - usually if someone's not napping on the train, it's a good bet that they'll get off at Jay.) It's crowded but I don't think it's terrible, although sometimes the train is delayed and then it's a sardine can.

    I sometimes walk to the Q/B train and I honestly think those trains are way more crowded - I've never gotten a seat on those trains, although they're faster so it's not as big of a deal.
  • It's fairly bad if you ride between 8-9:30am at the 7th Ave/9th Street stop. Like BKNY said, you can angle for a seat at Jay Street sometimes. I've found it to be much more dismal on the way home during rush hour (I get on at 42nd street). Tends to be a little better if you ride home near the front of the train because a lot of people spill out there at 2nd Ave.
  • I rode the F train for 6 years between 15th St/9th St and Jay, and it was kinda crowded. It does get sardine can-level afterward and up through the Canal St area and beyond, according to my husband. I now ride the 2/3 and my husband the Q, and we both like our new subway commutes a whole lot more. I find that the 2/3 seems more crowded than the F if I ride it at the wrong times, but more seats seem to regularly open up through the trip toward Manhattan. According to my husband, the Q is kinda crowded going into Manhattan, but the trip's a lot faster so he doesn't mind.
  • i'd love to know why the F is so SLOW. we could walk to cobble hill faster, don't you think?
  • brooklynpotter wrote: i'd love to know why the F is so SLOW. we could walk to cobble hill faster, don't you think?
    Prob because so many of them are backed up since so many of them come one after another at rush hour to get all the people waiting in.

    In queens, the F runs express so its only crappy on the brooklyn end. My dream would be for them to run an express train on the F line in bklyn, or at least skip over some of the stops!
  • really? because i think it may be the age of the trestle as well as the tracks... as it stands there can be no more that two trains on there at a time.
  • I live between F/Q (Ocean Parkway/cortelyou)..I always walk to the Q..The F is a hassle. Its good exercise anyway.
  • brooklynpotter wrote: really? because i think it may be the age of the trestle as well as the tracks... as it stands there can be no more that two trains on there at a time.
    It's a combination of that and the G train clogging things up - they can't possibly need to run as many G trains as they do. I use it once in a while and I've never seen more than 8 or 10 people in a car - at any hour.
  • By all means if you have a choice of living near the 7th Ave. Q or the 7th Ave. F choose the Q!!! You'll be at Union Square in less than 20 minutes rather than 35–40 minutes it takes to get to 14th/6th Ave. (assuming nothing fucks up, which, there's a reason it's called the F train).

    They really, really need to run F express service into Brooklyn (and extend the V into Brooklyn). 7th Ave. has express tracks that mostly go unused, and it's not like there aren't also other points on the F line that can't make use of express service. Every evening rush hour in Manhattan going downtown you see packed F trains and nearly empty V trains (making the V pretty useless outside of whatever it does in Queens). How is it not obvious that this is a terrible distribution of resources? Oh, yeah.

    I did hear that there is a plan to do something like the above, I'm just not sure when it'll be implemented. (ETA: Maybe it was extending the G--Nice for when you want to pop up to Williamsburg, four-cars of nuisance otherwise.)
  • Once upon a time (I think until the 70s) the G train was the local and the F the express. They may be slowing moving back to that now that they're going to run the G to Church. When I lived in Kensington I loved it when the F went express (which was all the time), it made the late night commute so much faster.
  • Has anyone noticed that they make the F express during rush hour when there are lots of trains backed up? It used to happen at least once a week when i worked the 9-5.

    But not every station has the express track so its annoying to see the F fly by at certain stations where the F is supposed to stop.
  • Thanks for all the input...looks like I'll stay with the Q or 2/3.

    Would be nice to get those extra trains though...if only to help with AY overload...as people start fleeing the trains that go through AY in the coming years.
  • Cabaki wrote: Has anyone noticed that they make the F express during rush hour when there are lots of trains backed up? It used to happen at least once a week when i worked the 9-5.

    But not every station has the express track so its annoying to see the F fly by at certain stations where the F is supposed to stop.
    But that's the point of "express"--skipping stops. Admittedly random expressness is inferior to planned express service. Also admittedly not too shabby when your home stop is a designated express stop. But the fact that they need to put the F express during rush hours so often should indicate the need for scheduled express service. I'm expecting too much higher-brain functioning from the MTA, aren't I?
  • jennitrixie wrote: [quote=Cabaki]Has anyone noticed that they make the F express during rush hour when there are lots of trains backed up? It used to happen at least once a week when i worked the 9-5.

    But not every station has the express track so its annoying to see the F fly by at certain stations where the F is supposed to stop.
    But that's the point of "express"--skipping stops. Admittedly random expressness is inferior to planned express service. Also admittedly not too shabby when your home stop is a designated express stop. But the fact that they need to put the F express during rush hours so often should indicate the need for scheduled express service. I'm expecting too much higher-brain functioning from the MTA, aren't I?

    Having the F fly by on a local track where its clearly intended to stop is not really "express" unless its bypasses the stop on the express track. Which is what i was trying to explain they should do instead speed past it on the local track.

    There are stations that dont have an express track built into them (i.e. york street station and east broadway.) I guess those stations would have to be an express stop on the line, unless they can build a secret "express tunnel".. ;)
  • AVOID F
    TAKE "R" ON 4TH AND SWITCH @ PACIFIC OR DEKALB - FASTER!
  • Cabaki wrote: In queens, the F runs express so its only crappy on the brooklyn end. My dream would be for them to run an express train on the F line in bklyn, or at least skip over some of the stops!
    Actually, I lived in Queens for 4 years on the F line, and let me tell you, if you think the F is crappy only in Brooklyn, then you ain't seen nothing yet. I lived on the 3rd stop of the train, and it was already packed at that point. I got a seat on the train maybe once a month. When I moved here, I called all my friends in Forest Hills because I was astonished that I was getting on the 10th stop and getting a seat nearly every day. The only thing worse was the E train - just as crowded, filthy, and every day I would be subjected to either someone preaching loudly from a bible, or a homeless person taking up a whole car with their stench. That, and quite often being called a "honky bitch" for no reason.

    I wish they would extend the V to Brooklyn and make the F express - downtown V trains past Rockefeller Center serve no purpose whatsoever.
  • BKNY: Word, word McWordy Word! Why the hell deos the V train stop at Second Ave? For a while it extnded to Jay Street which was a huge relief on the trains.
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