Anyone hear about this?
Brooklyn: Phone Call Foils Carjacking
By EMILY VASQUEZ (New York Times)
Published: January 16, 2007
Carjackers who abducted a 29-year-old woman in her S.U.V. yesterday apparently changed their minds after her husband called to tell her that the police had been notified, the authorities said. The woman, visiting with her husband from out of state, had been waiting for him in a rented 2006 Chevrolet Equinox outside an apartment building on *Park Place in Crown Heights* at 2:45 a.m. when two strangers climbed in, pushed her into the passenger seat and drove off, the police said. The husband, who saw the men jump in, called 911, then called his wife on her cellphone, the police said. Apparently, the carjackers overheard him tell her that the police were on their way. They pulled over and fled on foot, taking only a wallet, the police said.
By EMILY VASQUEZ (New York Times)
Published: January 16, 2007
Carjackers who abducted a 29-year-old woman in her S.U.V. yesterday apparently changed their minds after her husband called to tell her that the police had been notified, the authorities said. The woman, visiting with her husband from out of state, had been waiting for him in a rented 2006 Chevrolet Equinox outside an apartment building on *Park Place in Crown Heights* at 2:45 a.m. when two strangers climbed in, pushed her into the passenger seat and drove off, the police said. The husband, who saw the men jump in, called 911, then called his wife on her cellphone, the police said. Apparently, the carjackers overheard him tell her that the police were on their way. They pulled over and fled on foot, taking only a wallet, the police said.
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Saw that in the Times this am. It was the first I heard about it. Our section of Park Place was all quiet last night, although I will admit I was fast asleep at 2:45.
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Hoo boy... anyone know where this was, specifically? I'm on PP... I'm also sick ("it's the black lung, Pop!") so I was fast asleep by 2:45.
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Subject: Re: Anyone hear about this?
Jack Krohn wrote: Brooklyn: Phone Call Foils Carjacking
The good news is that this sort of thing used to happen all of the time in Crown Heights, but the NY Times never noticed.
By EMILY VASQUEZ (New York Times)
Published: January 16, 2007
Carjackers who abducted a 29-year-old woman in her S.U.V. yesterday apparently changed their minds after her husband called to tell her that the police had been notified, the authorities said. The woman, visiting with her husband from out of state, had been waiting for him in a rented 2006 Chevrolet Equinox outside an apartment building on *Park Place in Crown Heights* at 2:45 a.m. when two strangers climbed in, pushed her into the passenger seat and drove off, the police said. The husband, who saw the men jump in, called 911, then called his wife on her cellphone, the police said. Apparently, the carjackers overheard him tell her that the police were on their way. They pulled over and fled on foot, taking only a wallet, the police said.
As someone once said, sunlight is the best disinfectant.
I've also noticed that we have a new commander at the 77th Pct. (Crown HEights North), a new deputy at the 77th Pct. and a new commander for all of North Brooklynm all in the past month.
Meanwhile my freind's 12 year old son was robbed of his trombone and punched in the face on the corner of 8th St and 5th Avenue, at 3 PM in the afternoon no less. -
Sorry to hear about the trombone and the punching. That sucks, straight up. But on the Park Slope crime tipe--
... a WHITE guy (imagine that)--tried to rob me of my Ibook last year at the corner of Sixth avenue and Garfield Place in Park Slope, last May, in broad daylight in the afternoon. The guy snatched my Ibook, and I ran after him and got it back. I was lucky--but stuff happens, you know--and (shockhorror)--it ain't always "those black kids" doing the robbing and the stealing. In fact, when I was a Harvard student, the biggest kleptos at the Harvard Coop that I knew were a couple of friends of mine, one, a Mr. Oppenheimer with two wealthy lawyers for parents, and another, a former student of mine, half Jewish and half Italian--also from a wealthy background. Meanwhile, people of color like me got followed around all over Harvard Square, to the point where the Dean of Students had to interfere at times. Some of us literally couldn't buy a magazine without being harassed. Sorry to dovetail off into Harvard from Brooklyn, but it's true--in fancy white neighborhoods, a biracial girl like me can get robbed by white dudes...Oh, the stories I could tell... -
anniewilde wrote: Sorry to hear about the trombone and the punching. That sucks, straight up. But on the Park Slope crime tipe--
I failed to make the connection between your story and the original story about the carjacking. There was no mentioned of race in that story.
... a WHITE guy (imagine that)--tried to rob me of my Ibook last year at the corner of Sixth avenue and Garfield Place in Park Slope, last May, in broad daylight in the afternoon. The guy snatched my Ibook, and I ran after him and got it back. I was lucky--but stuff happens, you know--and (shockhorror)--it ain't always "those black kids" doing the robbing and the stealing. In fact, when I was a Harvard student, the biggest kleptos at the Harvard Coop that I knew were a couple of friends of mine, one, a Mr. Oppenheimer with two wealthy lawyers for parents, and another, a former student of mine, half Jewish and half Italian--also from a wealthy background. Meanwhile, people of color like me got followed around all over Harvard Square, to the point where the Dean of Students had to interfere at times. Some of us literally couldn't buy a magazine without being harassed. Sorry to dovetail off into Harvard from Brooklyn, but it's true--in fancy white neighborhoods, a biracial girl like me can get robbed by white dudes...Oh, the stories I could tell... -
anniewilde....you have some issues regarding the hand life has dealt you.
...Whilst an ivy league education is impressive, it does not guarentee success. You might be a little quick to blame racism for your trajectory through this world.
Having said that, your postings and the subsequent furore that they often incite are most entertaining!....keep it up!
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Once again, everything is about race with anniewilde
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Yeah, race is really irrelevant. I apologize. You might want to look at the newspaper once in awhile, and notice how a huge percentage of Americans wouldn't even consider voting for a black president. Do you think, Bojolais, that the 40 to 50 percent of Americans who claim that they wouldn't vote for any black Presidential candidate are just saying that because they hate Anniewilde? Or maybe they have black people who try to make "everything" about race in their lives and neighborhoods? Better stop that!!! Seems to me that every time I mention race, you're pretty quick to try to "smear" me with some sort of bitter insult.
And Guest, actually, the hand that life has dealt me is that I'm an English Professor. Like my parents. They're very successful. As were my grandparents. Can you say the same? Did I ever claim some sort of terrible fate? I've had every possible advantage and opportunity, and then some. However, this country is a really friggin' racist place, and this board reflects it. I'm one of the few black people even posting here, which is actually pathetic, considering the diversity of Brooklyn. Wonder why? Maybe it's people like Bojolais, to whom any comment about race is "everything." -
Anniewilde, how do you know the race of the people who post here unless they specifically say so? I hope you aren't make RACIAL ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT PEOPLE. And hope even more deeply that you AREN'T MAKING RACIST REMARKS by making those assumptions.
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anniewilde wrote: You might want to look at the newspaper once in awhile, and notice how a huge percentage of Americans wouldn't even consider voting for a black president.
Is that so? I'm glad then that Barack Obama isn't black, because he seems kind of cool and in with a chance. Except when you turn out all the lights of course; then he like all candidates are totally black. But I guess they don't do it because doesn't come across so well on camera. Unless you're blind, in which case it's all the same. Radio in the dark where all the candidates are black works fine, and is actually kind of cosy. I think it's important that any future president not be afraid of being in the dark. -
anniewilde wrote: You might want to look at the newspaper once in awhile, and notice how a huge percentage of Americans wouldn't even consider voting for a black president. Do you think, Bojolais, that the 40 to 50 percent of Americans who claim that they wouldn't vote for any black Presidential candidate are just saying that because they hate Anniewilde?
Really? I'm curious to hear what polls you're reading. The most recent one I heard about, which Newsweek did last month, found 93% of the respondents said they would vote for a black presidential candidate. Couldn't find it on Newsweek.com, but here's a Boston Globe column about the poll.
If you're going to insult people by implying they don't read newspapers and throw around statistics about the "huge percentage" of Americans who wouldn't even consider voting for a black person for president to bolster your arguments, I think you need to at least say where you heard these figures, if not provide a link to a citation. -
That Newsweek poll is misleading, and kind of backhanded. Officially, only 30 percent said they wouldn't vote for a black president, until they were pulled aside to ask their personal opinion? Then it jumped up to 93%? Gosh, Americans are a spineless bunch, aren't we? No wonder Bush II got reelected...
So, really, Annie's numbers aren't that far off. According to CBS News, Obama has a 40% favorable opinion among Democrats, but Hillary has Obama beat by 17 points. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/22/opinion/polls/main2383247.shtml
Now, as a woman of color, would I prefer the first woman prez, the first black prez or the first Latino prez in Richardson? I think this is what many minorities are going to be hard-pressed to think about in '08. Either way, I hope we come out in droves, and show some cojones. -
I'm all for the first female, the first minority, the first whatever... but only if that person also happens to be the best person for the job.
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Wow... Mods, I hope you delete the previous post. This is why we can't have an intelligent discussion about race on these boards. It's racist, ignorant anonymous trolls like this...
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solamami wrote: That Newsweek poll is misleading, and kind of backhanded. Officially, only 30 percent said they wouldn't vote for a black president, until they were pulled aside to ask their personal opinion? Then it jumped up to 93%? Gosh, Americans are a spineless bunch, aren't we? No wonder Bush II got reelected...
just to be clear, 93% said they WOULD vote for a black presidential candidate. -
just to be clear, 93% said they WOULD vote for a black presidential candidate.
Just to be clear??? That poll is quintessential definition of murky vacillation: 93% of people would vote but only if they were spoon-fed a black candidate on the Democratic ticket... which means said black candidate would have to win the primary first for the 93% of the public to get behind him. For many of us who refuse to align with the ineffectual two-party system, that doesn't hold a lot of weight.
Whatever... Polls are stupid anyway, especially 21 months out. -
solamami wrote: Wow... Mods, I hope you delete the previous post. This is why we can't have an intelligent discussion about race on these boards. It's racist, ignorant anonymous trolls like this...
Done! I agree that it was quite offensive. -
It's important to remember that 63.47% (+/-0.03%) of the statistics that originate from such polls are completely fabricated to support the aims of the person quoting the statistic.
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solamami wrote:
sorry. i had trouble understanding the meaning of your previous post. i found the "it" here confusing:just to be clear, 93% said they WOULD vote for a black presidential candidate.
Just to be clear??? .solamami wrote: Officially, only 30 percent said they wouldn't vote for a black president, until they were pulled aside to ask their personal opinion? Then it jumped up to 93%?
my misunderstanding was in no way intended as an affront. -
but i'm not sure where you're getting only "democratic party" from in that article.
the general problem of people in the states with early primaries feeling compelled to second-guess the will of voters in other states (and to therefore back candidates they imagine those voters will support, not the candidates they support themselves) is a very real concern, and one that is not limited to discussions of race. -
OK, point noted. Pronoun trouble. And yes, it's true, our voting system sucks. But here's what I read into it:
A solid majority -- 56 percent -- said yes; only 30 percent said no. But when voters were asked whether they personally would vote for a qualified black candidate nominated by their party, the positive response was beyond overwhelming: 93 percent.
As far as I'm aware, Colin Powell is negro-non-grata in his party, that nutbag Alan Keyes has been muzzled since catching a Obama beatdown in Ill., so I can't see how this poll would even be applicable to Republicans. If it was bipartisan, the article is not clear. I also question what Newsweek's "sampling" was. 100 people? 1,000? Their office lunchroom? Doctorj makes a valid point about journalists skewing numbers to fit a storyline. This is an all-too common practice.
What worries me about glancing this inflated number is that non-minorities can point to it and proudly purport, "See? There's no racism in this country!" When we know that is simply not the case. -
solamami wrote:
As far as I'm aware, Colin Powell is negro-non-grata in his party, that nutbag Alan Keyes has been muzzled since catching a Obama beatdown in Ill., so I can't see how this poll would even be applicable to Republicans.
well, condi comes to mind.... in general, i think the republicans have been remarkably clever about putting up female and minority candidates in order to claim swing voters who would more typically vote democratic. i would be not terribly surprised to see the first non-white-guy president come from the republicans. they have more potential votes to gain that way than the dems do. -
Oooohh yeaaaahhhh... I keep forgettin that Condi is black... or a woman for that matter. :? It would just be like the Rove-run Republicans to trump the race/gender card with a two-fer like that. But Condi keeps insisting she won't run--then again, what politician can ever be trusted?
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solamami wrote: Oooohh yeaaaahhhh... I keep forgettin that Condi is black... or a woman for that matter.
She is??? :shock:
I'd always assumed Condi was an experimental android made by US military contractor Aeroflex Altair Cybernetics Co., housed in a polyvinyl exoskeleton.
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doctorj wrote: [quote=anniewilde]You might want to look at the newspaper once in awhile, and notice how a huge percentage of Americans wouldn't even consider voting for a black president.
Is that so? I'm glad then that Barack Obama isn't black, because he seems kind of cool and in with a chance. Except when you turn out all the lights of course; then he like all candidates are totally black. But I guess they don't do it because doesn't come across so well on camera. Unless you're blind, in which case it's all the same. Radio in the dark where all the candidates are black works fine, and is actually kind of cosy. I think it's important that any future president not be afraid of being in the dark.
DoctorJ, why don't you move to Crown Hts? I suggest it might knock some of the smug, sharkiness out of your world view.
If you lived in Crown Hts, you could stand on the street corner and observe that most everybody passing by is black and poor. Is that an accident? Try the same experiment on the Upper East Side. I'll bet you'll notice that almost everybody you see is rich and white. Try to imagine the reverse, that is, a n'hood where most folks are rich and black. Where could I go to find such a n'hood? As far as I know, it doesn't exist, certainly not in NYC.
Anniewilde is expressing her deep, righteous indignation that this reality is not reflected in hardly anyone's consciousness. My family comes from a long line of white Midwesterns who, living in completely segregated n'hoods, have no clue about what it's like to be black. Their racism is deep, profound and utterly unimformed due to their lack of personal experience with people of color. And my sense is that their reality is fairly typical, even in Park Slope. Most white folks are just plain, straight up scared of black folks, because they never really knew any of them. Until we address that reality, a lot of the talk on this forum, well, is just missing the point, in my opinion. -
greg wrote: [quote=doctorj][quote=anniewilde]You might want to look at the newspaper once in awhile, and notice how a huge percentage of Americans wouldn't even consider voting for a black president.
Is that so? I'm glad then that Barack Obama isn't black, because he seems kind of cool and in with a chance. Except when you turn out all the lights of course; then he like all candidates are totally black. But I guess they don't do it because doesn't come across so well on camera. Unless you're blind, in which case it's all the same. Radio in the dark where all the candidates are black works fine, and is actually kind of cosy. I think it's important that any future president not be afraid of being in the dark.
DoctorJ, why don't you move to Crown Hts? I suggest it might knock some of the smug, sharkiness out of your world view.
If you lived in Crown Hts, you could stand on the street corner and observe that most everybody passing by is black and poor. Is that an accident? Try the same experiment on the Upper East Side. I'll bet you'll notice that almost everybody you see is rich and white. Try to imagine the reverse, that is, a n'hood where most folks are rich and black. Where could I go to find such a n'hood? As far as I know, it doesn't exist, certainly not in NYC.
Anniewilde is expressing her deep, righteous indignation that this reality is not reflected in hardly anyone's consciousness. My family comes from a long line of white Midwesterns who, living in completely segregated n'hoods, have no clue about what it's like to be black. Their racism is deep, profound and utterly unimformed due to their lack of personal experience with people of color. And my sense is that their reality is fairly typical, even in Park Slope. Most white folks are just plain, straight up scared of black folks, because they never really knew any of them. Until we address that reality, a lot of the talk on this forum, well, is just missing the point, in my opinion.
i thought doctorj's very funny and absurdist post was every bit as to the point as anniewilde's decision to change the subject to politics when it was pointed out that the only comments about race in this thread (at that point) were hers.
also, yes, i could show you rich black neighborhoods -- and suburbs -- in chicago. not as many as the rich white neighborhoods (nor as rich, perhaps, as the richest), for sure, but they do exist. one of the interesting side effects of economic integration outstripping residential integration in that city.
that said, OF COURSE race and class have a problematic link in this country. and OF COURSE some people believe repugnant things, often carelessly, and act on those beliefs to the detriment of us all. i'm not sure how accusing people of being smug helps address those ills, though. -
greg wrote:
Sorry Greg; if all the different neighborhoods in different cities on different continents so far didn't help, I think I must be a lost cause, and moving another 100 yards up the road would only make things worse. But thanks for the kind thoughts.
DoctorJ, why don't you move to Crown Hts? I suggest it might knock some of the smug, sharkiness out of your world view. -
doctorj wrote: [quote=greg]
Sorry Greg; if all the different neighborhoods in different cities on different continents so far didn't help, I think I must be a lost cause, and moving another 100 yards up the road would only make things worse. But thanks for the kind thoughts.
DoctorJ, why don't you move to Crown Hts? I suggest it might knock some of the smug, sharkiness out of your world view.
It appears this is not a forum for serious discussions. Pardon me for intruding on the pitter-patter about "safe" blocks and fine cuisine. -
greg wrote:
I thought it was a serious thread about a carjcking being foiled by a phonecall, until some people wanted to turn it, like everything, into the usual canard about "race". And when there's a canard, the goose isn't far behind. If you'd like a serious discussion about poverty, equality, opportunity, justice, culture, economics, and their correlation to epidermal melanin levels, come over to The Lounge sometime; I promise a non-ridiculous diatribe will prompt a non-flippant response.
It appears this is not a forum for serious discussions. Pardon me for intruding on the pitter-patter about "safe" blocks and fine cuisine. -
smackdown wrote: [quote=anniewilde]Sorry to hear about the trombone and the punching. That sucks, straight up. But on the Park Slope crime tipe--
I failed to make the connection between your story and the original story about the carjacking. There was no mentioned of race in that story.
... a WHITE guy (imagine that)--tried to rob me of my Ibook last year at the corner of Sixth avenue and Garfield Place in Park Slope, last May, in broad daylight in the afternoon. The guy snatched my Ibook, and I ran after him and got it back. I was lucky--but stuff happens, you know--and (shockhorror)--it ain't always "those black kids" doing the robbing and the stealing. In fact, when I was a Harvard student, the biggest kleptos at the Harvard Coop that I knew were a couple of friends of mine, one, a Mr. Oppenheimer with two wealthy lawyers for parents, and another, a former student of mine, half Jewish and half Italian--also from a wealthy background. Meanwhile, people of color like me got followed around all over Harvard Square, to the point where the Dean of Students had to interfere at times. Some of us literally couldn't buy a magazine without being harassed. Sorry to dovetail off into Harvard from Brooklyn, but it's true--in fancy white neighborhoods, a biracial girl like me can get robbed by white dudes...Oh, the stories I could tell...
Anniewilde, silly girl....you can only bring up race on these forums when the perpetrators are BLACK...or at least, non-WHITE. Didn't you READ THE RULES above. What good is it to the average reader here to know about white guys robbing biracial women in our nabes?
Kinda reminds me of those Associated Press newsclips of Hurricane Katrina victims either "looting" or "being resorceful and discovering" food, depending on their race of course.
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