Pepper Spray?
i'm only posting this because it's soooooo stupid.
beyond the fact that prospect park is not full of marauding packs of rotties with orange glowing eyes
but let's -- for the sake of argument -- say that prospect park is full of wild packs of dogs
the thought... of a vicious animal waiting. waiting. waiting
for you put pepper spray into its eyes is beyond stoopit....
beyond the fact that prospect park is not full of marauding packs of rotties with orange glowing eyes
but let's -- for the sake of argument -- say that prospect park is full of wild packs of dogs
the thought... of a vicious animal waiting. waiting. waiting
for you put pepper spray into its eyes is beyond stoopit....
Tuesday, February 06, 2007
Protecting Yourself from Unleashed Dogs
Unleashed dogs in Prospect Park Ravine
If you or your family members have ever been attacked, menanced or are afraid of being attacked by unleashed dogs in NYC parks you are within your rights to protect yourself. It is legal to purchase and carry pepper spray in New York. If you are in a city park and are charged by an unleashed dog you are completely within your rights to use pepper spray on the animal. Given the current situation, and the fact that city agencies are unwilling to protect the public from unleashed dogs, I recommend carrying pepper spray in city parks and not be afraid to use it to deter canine attacks.
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it makes me sad to think how frightened some people are by dogs. what an awful, out of control feeling it must be.
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Subject: Re: Pepper Spray?
quijibo wrote:
What other means of defensive do you recommend as an alternative?
for you put pepper spray into its eyes is beyond stoopit.... -
Subject: Re: Pepper Spray?
Anonymous wrote:
just chuck 'em at the marauding canine hordes for a quick getaway!
What other means of defensive do you recommend as an alternative?
http://www.buttercupspaw.com/ -
My mom definately made me more afraid of dogs then any normal person should be, Probably because of the fact she was bit by one .
So I am definately very cautious when I am around any dogs.
Even so I would never consider using mace against one.
I'll just keep my distance and give them their space. -
I have never ever been even remotely close to having a dog attack me during on or off leash hours - in fact I think pet owners should carry wet wipes for me since most of their dogs wind up kissing or slobbering my son
If that is the case then I can also use pepper spray on the unruly bikers, pedestrians, drivers and park idiots? -
I thought pepper spray was illegal in NYC.
It *is* tragic that so many people have irrational dog terror, but I think that blogger is just angry about losing the off-leash decision with the city and viciously playing fear-monger.
And of course I go to the park all the time, and have never witnessed a pack of dogs attacking anyone, or read about that happening.
When I lived in Williamsburg, there were actual packs of feral dogs roaming the streets, but they never attacked people either, that I heard about. That "Prospect Park Advocate" guy is such an ass. -
okay, i thought i should post FIDO's official statement on the matter:
Our website: fidobrooklyn-DOT-org
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Be Aware!
The "Prospect Park Advocate" is an anti-offleash website that has gained notoriety for its relentless campaigning against offleash recreation and for its attacks on the Department of Parks and Recreation in general.
The site owner now advocates carrying pepper spray to use against offleash dogs.
He also provides a link to find stores where the spray can be purchased.
If you are tempted to bend the rules and let your dogs offleash in leash-only areas, or even let your dogs run up to strangers, you are taking a risk of assault on your dogs and yourself by people who do not consider this acceptable. And the law would likely be on their side.
Remember: The Park is a resource shared among many, many people and not all of them agree on what is acceptable behavior. Using a little common sense and observing some simple courtesies can go a long way to maintaining peaceful co-existence.
Even if/when Parks formalizes offleash, we still have an obligation to other Park users to allow safe, healthy, peaceful Park usage for all! -
i'd use pepper spray on a republican -- but never a dog
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next time i go to gorilla. and get attitude with my coffee.
i'm just gonna pull out my taser :shock: -
I love dogs but I blame Hollywood to some extent.
Remember the dogs from "The Omen", "Cujo", even the "Chronoicles of Narnia" (okay, they were wolves, but you understand), werewolves, etc.
But if you are going to use pepper spray in the park, use it on those obnoxious "Tour de France"- wanna-bees going top speed in bike lines for the training circuit. Not all of them - just the ones screaming for everyone in the crosswalks to get out of their way...okay, thats my rant.
Leave the poor dogs alone. they just want to go outside, run, be social and be free for a while. I haven't heard of any dog attacks in Prospect - have any of you? -
Those rottweilers should not be off-leash in the ravine!
I've never heard of an off-leash dog attacking a person in Prospect Park. My dog was attacked one time -- well, he was kicked in the chest -- by a man who decided it would be a good idea to walk his leashed dog through a crowd off off-leash dogs and then flipped out when the off-leash dogs came over to check out his dog. :x -
It is indeed ridiculous to advocate the pepperspraying of dogs.
But those dogs should not be offleash in the ravine. If people actually obeyed the off leash laws, then 90% of the debate thats been going on between leashers and off leasher would go away and the only voices left would be jackasses like that blogger. But as long as people are going to ignore the off leash rules, people are actually going to be more receptive of the extreme position. As the fido website pointed out, someone who peppersprayed a group of roaming off leash dogs in a leashed area would likely have the law on their side.
Off leash does not absolve a dog owner from having their dogs under control at all times; there is a sizeable minority of people who believe that the specific off-leash hours essentially give them the right to have their dogs roam free anywhere and everywhere in the park. It's only a matter of time before some unfortunate incident happens with some dog owner who is blatantly ignoring the off leash laws and then the whole situation could be ruined for those of us who actually respect the rules that have allowed the off leash hours to be such a success.
There are people in this world ho do not like dogs, for whatever reason, and as responsible dog owners we have to respect their rights. Conversely they must respect our rights to off-leash hours. However when there are dog owners who blantantly ignore the rules we lose little by little the goodwill we have built up that allows the off leash hours. -
Subject: Re: Pepper Spray?
Anonymous wrote: [quote=quijibo]
What other means of defensive do you recommend as an alternative?
for you put pepper spray into its eyes is beyond stoopit....
Let it bite you, think hard about what you did to deserve it, and vow to change your ways. -
Subject: dogs and pepper spray
:? Well..it's not about being afraid or un-afraid of dogs. It's about defending yourself in a situation, and it's about your right to defend yourself and others. The fact is, that there are people who have aggressive dogs that CANNOT or are NOT WILLING to control or discipline them i.e. these dogs typically include Pit Bulls, Rotties, etc. Not typically toy poodles...We are talking about animals that can inflict severe damage, so let's get real here.
If you're walking your dog and encounter an agressive dog, you or your dog could be seriously injured or worse. And if the aggressive dog's owner's response is 'oh well...so sorry!' don't be surprised. Because ultimately it's the owner not the dog that is truly responsible for conditioning desired behavior. But, it's up to you! You have to care enough about yourself and others to be ready (as much as possible). If everyone actually cared this would be less of a problem.
So please note: the discussion is not only pertaining to stray dogs, but also to unleashed dogs, or dogs that are not under control. Period.
By the way...they make pepper spray that is more friendly to aggressive dogs. It should not do harm as regular spray may cause. Apparently, I've read that dogs lack the tear ducts that we have that would allow them to naturally flush out the spray. This 'dog pepper spray' flushes or dissipates more easily. Hopefully of course, you will never be in that situation! -
Of course owners have to be responsible.
mcdeny, please don't use our little neighborhood site to fear-monger.
We really have *not* been seeing dogs attack in Prospect Park! -
Subject: dogs and pepper spray
perhaps you are responsible. But you cannot assume that other people are. Either way you are ultimately responsible for yourself.
never be afraid. Just be aware. Never assume that because something doesn't happen often that it cannot happen. Because, that's when it may happen to you.
I love and care for my dog, the people in my life, and...I care about myself. I am committed to being aware and feel it my responsibility to care for those I love...that includes protecting those I love.
Please understand what I'm really saying. -
Subject: Re: dogs and pepper spray
mcdeny wrote: :? Well..it's not about being afraid or un-afraid of dogs. It's about defending yourself in a situation, and it's about your right to defend yourself and others. The fact is, that there are people who have aggressive dogs that CANNOT or are NOT WILLING to control or discipline them i.e. these dogs typically include Pit Bulls, Rotties, etc. Not typically toy poodles...We are talking about animals that can inflict severe damage, so let's get real here.
banned for fear-mongering!!!!
If you're walking your dog and encounter an agressive dog, you or your dog could be seriously injured or worse. And if the aggressive dog's owner's response is 'oh well...so sorry!' don't be surprised. Because ultimately it's the owner not the dog that is truly responsible for conditioning desired behavior. But, it's up to you! You have to care enough about yourself and others to be ready (as much as possible). If everyone actually cared this would be less of a problem.
So please note: the discussion is not only pertaining to stray dogs, but also to unleashed dogs, or dogs that are not under control. Period.
By the way...they make pepper spray that is more friendly to aggressive dogs. It should not do harm as regular spray may cause. Apparently, I've read that dogs lack the tear ducts that we have that would allow them to naturally flush out the spray. This 'dog pepper spray' flushes or dissipates more easily. Hopefully of course, you will never be in that situation! -
Subject: Re: dogs and pepper spray
mcdenny wrote: perhaps you are responsible. But you cannot assume that other people are. Either way you are ultimately responsible for yourself.
can you point to reports of animal packs in prospect park?
never be afraid. Just be aware. Never assume that because something doesn't happen often that it cannot happen. Because, that's when it may happen to you.
I love and care for my dog, the people in my life, and...I care about myself. I am committed to being aware and feel it my responsibility to care for those I love...that includes protecting those I love.
Please understand what I'm really saying. -
Subject: Don't be afraid...just be aware. Use common sense
if you are afraid or have adverse to being aware then I cannot change how you feel. Nor is it up to me.
As I have said: do not be afraid. Be aware. i.e. people who study martial arts are generally not afraid...but they are generally aware. And, they are confident and ready in any situation.
Crooklyn Ninja...I think you should be banned for discrimination since you only want to talk to people that agree with you...instead of really being open and discussing issues . That's what's wrong here. It sounds like you need to be right. Good luck and best wishes! -
I can point to a dog attacking my dog in my building elevator. Look this is like someone thinking they don't need to wear a seatbelt when they are driving in their neighborhood...when in reality most accidents in relation to yourself occur close to where you live. It's common sense. Carry the spray if you want...wear your seat belt etc. Just be aware and prepared for situations. Don't generalize and confine yourself to your perfect little world...and don't get extreme and spray every other dog you see either! LOL...
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next topic: unicorns... -
Anonymous wrote: I can point to a dog attacking my dog in my building elevator. Look this is like someone thinking they don't need to wear a seatbelt when they are driving in their neighborhood...when in reality most accidents in relation to yourself occur close to where you live. It's common sense. Carry the spray if you want...wear your seat belt etc. Just be aware and prepared for situations. Don't generalize and confine yourself to your perfect little world...and don't get extreme and spray every other dog you see either! LOL...
MOD NOTE: the above post is from the same IP as mcdenny. -
Subject: Keep your agressive Unicorn leashed!
Carnivore wrote: [quote=Anonymous]I can point to a dog attacking my dog in my building elevator. Look this is like someone thinking they don't need to wear a seatbelt when they are driving in their neighborhood...when in reality most accidents in relation to yourself occur close to where you live. It's common sense. Carry the spray if you want...wear your seat belt etc. Just be aware and prepared for situations. Don't generalize and confine yourself to your perfect little world...and don't get extreme and spray every other dog you see either! LOL...
MOD NOTE: the above post is from the same IP as mcdenny.Crooklyn Ninja..I agree next topic. Sorry this one isn't in your favor. =D> -
Subject: Re: Keep your agressive Unicorn leashed!
mcdenny wrote: [quote=Carnivore][quote=Anonymous]I can point to a dog attacking my dog in my building elevator. Look this is like someone thinking they don't need to wear a seatbelt when they are driving in their neighborhood...when in reality most accidents in relation to yourself occur close to where you live. It's common sense. Carry the spray if you want...wear your seat belt etc. Just be aware and prepared for situations. Don't generalize and confine yourself to your perfect little world...and don't get extreme and spray every other dog you see either! LOL...
MOD NOTE: the above post is from the same IP as mcdenny.Crooklyn Ninja..I agree next topic. Sorry this one isn't in your favor. =D>
I'm not sure why you're quoting me here, since what I said in no way supports your subsequent statement. -
Subject: hello sockpuppet
Im actually quoting myself. And, I agree with what I've stated. Only quoting you as you have identified myself as issuing the quote.
Are you for real? Really don't be so uptight. sorry...geez.
Well...at least someone is saying something. And I pulled you all out of your shells. Oh well, I'm not making any friends I guess...but I'm not out to be in a popularity contest anyway!
Good luck to all of you who wish everyone to think the same, dress the same, look the same as you...but, I really think you're in the wrong city for that! Cheers. -
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Subject: Prospect Park Dogs
i'm only posting this because it's soooooo stupid.
It is not at all stupid to want to protect yourself from dog attack in a place like Prospect Park, where the off leash dog situation is out of control.
If you are tempted to bend the rules and let your dogs offleash in leash-only areas, or even let your dogs run up to strangers, you are taking a risk of assault on your dogs and yourself by people who do not consider this acceptable. And the law would likely be on their side.
This has to be the most sensible, level headed, rational statement I have ever heard from FIDO. If only they could see reason to the point where they would understand that off leash dogs belong in fenced areas, a sound policy that protects people and dogs alike.
it makes me sad to think how frightened some people are by dogs
People deserve compassion too, and NYC parks were originally created as a place for people to escape the stresses of urban confinement. I grew up with large dogs, played with these huge animals each and every day, and I own a dog now, but I still hate having a totally unfamiliar unleashed dog come up to me and sniff me. I don't care if the owner bleats something about it being friendly, I shouldn't have to worry about the health and behavioural status of a totally unfamiliar animal with big teeth capable of doing great damage coming into close proximity with me. It's common sense people (or was until the advent of the PETAphiles).
People have life experiences (serious bites, etc) with dogs that make them afraid or cautious around dogs. Some of the gung ho off leash militants hold fearful people in disdain. This is just wrong.
I've never heard of an off-leash dog attacking a person in Prospect Park.
At least one woman was fearfully mauled by an off leash dog in the ravine in the 1980s. Of course, Tupper Thomas has done her best to suppress such information. I personally know of unleashed dogs that have bitten horses on the bridle paths. And who knows how many, like myself, have been frightened out of their wits by off leash dog aggressive behaviour (growling, dominant stance, bristled hair) directed at them. that doesn't count as an attack does it? But it would ruin one's enjoyment of the park, that day, and perhaps for ever. I was not particularly anxious around loose dogs in the park until some unleashed dogs menaced me (and having grown up with big dogs I understand them quite well, thank you). Now I am wary around all unleashed dogs.
can you point to reports of animal packs in prospect park?
I have personally observed packs of dogs in Prospect Park, crossing over Flatbush Avenue to the fenced equipment area inside Brooklyn Botanical Garden, and back. These packs have menaced myself and my leashed dog on the BBG sidewalk, on a number of occasions. I contacted BBG and they told me the packs of dogs are a perennial problem caused by the dumping of unwanted pet dogs into Prospect Park. Any two or more dogs can form a pack and go into pack behaviour mode. And this packing, aggressive behaviour can be learned by dogs from the uncontrolled situations that exist during unleashed dog hours, when anybody can bring any dog into the park to "play". -
Subject: oh no...not my dog! LOL
Finally..this is refreshing and realistic. Everyone has a right to enjoy themselves in a park without harassment or having an uncontrolled dog rudely bother you. I correct my dogs behavior and wish to be considerate of other people that may not want my dog jumping all over them friendly or otherwise. I expect the same in return. if endangered I will protect myself and my dog. -
Subject: Re: Prospect Park Dogs
rockhound wrote: People deserve compassion too, and NYC parks were originally created as a place for people to escape the stresses of urban confinement.
Hey, don't forget there was originally a flock of sheep kept in the long meadow! There've always been animals there. And forget dog bites--have you ever been head-butted by a sheep? It freakin hurts!!! They can easily break your ribs.
Yes, I have been head-butted by one sheep and one goat. :oops:
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