How Racially Integrated Is Prospect Heights?

Subject: Re: How Racially Integrated Is Prospect Heights?

Oiseau wrote: Seems that PH is getting whiter by the minute. If you've lived here for a long time, I'm sure you've seen the change. If your new here, how far do you venture? Are you scared of Washington Ave? If you've live here for 10+ years, do you feel resentment at all the money now moving into the hood?

Judging by the way your question is worded, integration isn't a big goal with you. What is your point in asking this?

I recommend reading the many previous posts on this and related topics, then coming back with a new wrinkle, subtopic, or (better yet) specific problems and proposed solutions.

And, welcome to the board.

Head over to the Crown Heights board for people that live east of Washington. And Prospect Heights isn't larger than we think; it's as large as the realtors want to tell people it is. I've seen New York Avenue advertised as "Prospect Heights" vicinity.

Oiseau, there have been some lengthy discussions about that on here recently... both the race issue and the "borders of Prospect Heights" issue. We didn't solve either of them.

I definitely feel resentment towards the rising rents, who wouldn't? But that's life.

Oiseau wrote: My point is that Prospect Heights is a larger area than most people think. Many people just stay within the walk from the subway to their home and go no further. Washington Ave still scares many people.

I think what you mean to say is "Washington Ave still scares me".

There are very few neighborhoods in Brooklyn which are not integrated

I am from Crown Heights originally and it was integrated then. Not
including the existing Hasidic population, there were a scattered
amount of White residents back in the 70's

Moved to Flatlands, where the reverse was beheld

My family and I were one of the first West Indian families to move there
and it remained that way until the mid 80's

Then moved to Prospect Heights in 86. Damn, it was integrated here
too

Would visit my friends in Park Slope and man, it was integrated there.
Park Slope was gentrified beginning in the late 70's, if anyone
remembers the Cinderella Project. I give props to those who moved
to Park Slope back then, cause they were decent people and their
kids, who I went to school with, were Brooklyn folk who respected the
neighborhood and were never afraid to voice themselves as native
Brooklynites, which they were

Then moved back to Flatlands, hmmm, still integrated, got married and
moved to Canarsie (a move I am not proud of, moving there and my
marriage) and gee whiz, this damn thing was integrated too

Moved back to Prospect Heights, earned my divorce and have been
living here ever since

So, I would not know what this means, when one says, is this becoming
more integrated. It always has

Granted, some of the people who have been moving in, are classless
scum, no matter what your bank account reads, but there are classless
scumbags from all walks of life.

Now, I wonder if Seagate is integrated. THAT would be something

Subject: white in the Heights

I've lived in this neighborhood for 16 years and when we moved onto Prospect Place btwn Carleton and Vanderbilt there were just a handful of other white folks on the block....we still live on the same block (different building) and I've noticed in the last 5 years that the area has gotten WAY more white residents...when the greasy spoon on Vanderbilt changed its name to The Usual and its decor from authentic to generic, I realized that the party was over. I have to say, though, that the people who have been on my block the longest are an 80--something brother and sister pair who were born in their house and are white. But to me it's more a class than a race thing....the area's getting more gentrified, more moneyed, more yuppified (I like Amorina and Half as much as the next girl but they're an example of exactly this).

Subject: Re: white in the Heights

BrickTop wrote: ... I realized that the party was over.

May I ask what "party" you are referring to?

"But where are we going to lock them up?" I said, "On the street." He replid, "Oh no way am I locking my bike up on the street over there." This wasn't some $300 bicycle.

Uhh, I have a $100 bicycle, and I live on Park and Classon, and I NEVER leave my bike locked up outside at night. I always bring it inside. We've had three bikes stolen from outside my apartment, locked up inside my front gate, over the last several years.

It's not being scared--it's being smart.

Two hours, overnight, whatever. I bring my bike inside wherever I go, if at all possible. In every neighborhood, mind you.

rhodamine wrote: the solution is, obviously, to KILL WHITEY :twisted:

Seriously, kill him now. It's time. Think of it, a world with no mayonnaise!

GuestySinclair wrote: Oh, now I get it: Oisau or whatever his or her name is is a total jerk. Bug off, troll.

ahh, the only problem with revelations like this one that youve made is that the troll/jerk/whatever waits for ones like this so that they can make a rebuttal, shift the insult backto you, or generally start arguing it again. check above where this person was like "im not atroll! ive lived here for 10 years which is longer than any of you" etc...

beware the trolls.

ive learned that sometimes ignoring them is the best way to get them to lose interest... without attention and drama, they move on.

sure, its not very fulfilling to you to stifle an insult (and i dont always do it myself, heh), but sometimes it works for the better, no?

8)

I spent my formative years there (like 4-10) in those projects - it just might be the most awful place in the world, or so my therapy bills will tell me. But yep, it was integrated. Racist as hell but integrated.

Are you referring to the projects by or around Pennsylvania Avenue?

I remember there was some backlash from the existing White residents
to the new West Indian residents coming into the neighborhood, back
in the late 80's

I have strong allegiance to Flatlands, so when I moved to Canarsie back
in 96, I felt a little out of place, being a Flatlands resident from 79 to
86 and then from 92 to 96 and the existing tension which existed
from the two neighborhoods and the informal competitions they
had, like stickball, which metalhead kids could bang the most, which
souped up Corvette and Malibu was the nicer ride and of course, who
had the heaviest Brooklyn accent, things like that

In fact, when my ex-wife, who is from California but lived in Canarsie
when she was nine, to when we moved (she would have been 32 then),
and I first met, we had that semi-long pause of realizing, she and I
lived and rolled with the enemies neighborhood

God, I love Brooklyn

And I shudder to think of a world with no mayonaisse. Miracle Whip?
It's a miracle anyone buys that and Kraft keeps making it.

I need my colloids dammit

Subject: Re: white in the Heights

alafairnadia wrote: [quote=Oiseau]I realized it when the first trust-fund baby moved into my co-op about 6 years ago.

damn, your co-ops must have been REALLY overpriced and schmancy to get trust fund babies to move in 6 years ago. whoa. I don't think we have any trust fund babies in my co-op (which is on Washington, thx). wait, do we have any trust fund babies, daveb? cause I need some cash.

We most certainly do not.