If They Build The Nets Arena...

Oiseau wrote: [quote=dailyheights]Crown Heights is already the next Prospect Heights. Stadium or no stadium...

Really? Are there white folk with money moving in? How far down Eastern Parkway is this happening?

I figured that Ditmas Park would be the most likely candidate. Crown Heights and Sunset Park I see as being just too shady for many people unless you're young and have that pioneering mojo.

I know CH has a large Hasedic comminity but they really don't count as gentrification.

When's the last time YOU crossed Washington? Crown Heights has, in the past two years, begun to "gentrify" visibly...and in the past two months or so it's been even more dramatic as the Hospital on Prospect has started filling up. My husband and I used to be literally the ONLY white faces on the shuttle platform every morning, and now I'd say it's a pretty solid blend...sometimes as much as 50/50. We feel kind of protective of it too in some ways, as we really like the Caribbean flavor of the neighborhood and don't want it to turn into, like, Park Slope or Williamsburg or anything (which of course have their place but the whole world can't and shouldn't be like that), but on the other hand everyone seems pretty cool so far and, like us, really wanting to live in the neighborhood.

bluedove wrote: [quote=Oiseau][quote=dailyheights]Crown Heights is already the next Prospect Heights. Stadium or no stadium...

Really? Are there white folk with money moving in? How far down Eastern Parkway is this happening?

I figured that Ditmas Park would be the most likely candidate. Crown Heights and Sunset Park I see as being just too shady for many people unless you're young and have that pioneering mojo.

I know CH has a large Hasedic comminity but they really don't count as gentrification.

When's the last time YOU crossed Washington? Crown Heights has, in the past two years, begun to "gentrify" visibly...and in the past two months or so it's been even more dramatic as the Hospital on Prospect has started filling up. My husband and I used to be literally the ONLY white faces on the shuttle platform every morning, and now I'd say it's a pretty solid blend...sometimes as much as 50/50. We feel kind of protective of it too in some ways, as we really like the Caribbean flavor of the neighborhood and don't want it to turn into, like, Park Slope or Williamsburg or anything (which of course have their place but the whole world can't and shouldn't be like that), but on the other hand everyone seems pretty cool so far and, like us, really wanting to live in the neighborhood.

I live on just the other side of Classon from the Jewish Hospital. Last night, I took the shuttle from the B train instead of the four-block hike from the 7th Ave stop. I hadn't checked out the hospital until then, and only now do I have an understanding for how effin' HUGE the place is... If we're to judge gentrification by the number of white faces, AND if the place fills up with mostly white people... well, that's a whole lot of white folk and calling the rate of gentrification "dramatic" may well be an understatement!

dailyheights wrote: People, be nice to the newbies! Remember, you were one once.

it's hard to be nice when the newbie is so obviously trolling.

Subject: Re: If They Build The Nets Arena...

Oiseau wrote: If/when they build the Nets arena and all those tall buildings will you still want to live in Prospect Heights?

Did you move to Brooklyn to escape Manhattan only to find Manhattan moved to you?

What neighborhood in Brooklyn do you think will be "the next Prospect Heights"?

This is actually a halfway decent set of questions, although I'm still getting a "stir the pot" tone based on the balance of all your posts. As the site admin suggested, you should search the board before posting more stuff like this.

That said, yes, I intend to be outta here by the time the stadium is built. Here's my (strictly speculative) conjecture, based on the news of the past few days: Ratner will get his way, DDDB and friends will file civil suit, and the city (not Ratner) will end up paying a hefty settlement for violating the terms of the supposedly open bidding process--wiping out any money it makes on the bid and tax revenue it stands to receive. It all stinks, and I do not plan on living in the shadow of all that nonsense.

bluedove wrote: ...sometimes it takes a off tone to do so.

Actually, it really doesn't.

Oiseau wrote: Sorry, but where is my tone a little off? Is there something I wrote that wasn't PC? Sorry, really, please, tell me, I'm a newbie, I just want to make friends.

I think you really need to re-evaluate your tone. There's no reason to jump in and stir things up. Especially on a topic that is so overbearing as the Ratner plan for the Atlantic Yards. On this forum people are quite responsive and attentive and honest. Jumping in and saying things need to be 'stirred up' implies apathy and lack of concern.

If anything posters on this board really do care. And I honestly think this is one of the better locally focused boards I have ever been on.

P.S.: I refuse to call this Ratner plan an 'arena plan'. It's actually a huge office park with an arena as an afterthought. Focusing on only the arena ignores what the real heart of this plan is and ignores the shell game Ratner is playing.

Oiseau wrote: Sorry, but where is my tone a little off? Is there something I wrote that wasn't PC? Sorry, really, please, tell me, I'm a newbie, I just want to make friends.

Perhaps you are trying to troll, perhaps you are not. Giving you the benefit of the doubt for the moment: some of the things you've written on the board today, intentionally or not, come across as reverse racism, implying that we are a bunch of rich white hipsters huddled in our rent-spiked apartments as close to Park Slope as possible, terrified of the hood and eyeing the corner bodegas for Starbucks potential. Whereas if you had taken a little bit of time to read the boards before posting on them, you would see that in fact we are not only spread out over the whole north-of-the-park area, of all different income levels, life stages, races, backgrounds (including length of time living in the area), and personalities, but that the most unifying feature of the regulars on this board is that they love the neighborhood and are very much invested in it for what it is. Most of us live here because we DON'T want to live in Park Slope or go home to a Starbucks on every corner. Sure nobody wants to be mugged or step on crack vials every day, but I think that's a general human concern.

If you had introduced yourself, educated yourself on the general format and tone of this forum, and brought up any new questions or topics you thought of in a more spirit-of-good-conversation kind of way, nobody would have been offended. But it was pretty clear you hadn't read anything, and thoughtless wording like "How far do you venture from your apartment?" is naturally not going to be well-received.

Firstly, I am a Knicks fan, but have always loved the Nets
When they beat the defending champion 76'ers in 1984 with a team
of Darryl Dawkins, Mike Gminski, Koren, Michael Ray Richardson, I
almost leapt out of my chair in jubilation

Too bad, they did not pay Kenyon Martin last year. The team of Kidd,
Jefferson and Martin, when they ran the Princeton (a motion offense
devised of pass, cuts and moving the ball), they were a joy to watch

I so will change loyalties to the Nets, even with Stephon being from
Coney and all

But, the proposed location is idiotic and insensitive to the people living
in the immediate areas. Flatbush Avenue and Fourth Avenue are like
Times Square Light, especially during the Summer weekends, so the
added traffic, congestion, and overall chaos, will be intolerable to many.

With ticket prices so high as it it, most of the people who would be
marketed to, would come from the traditionally monied backgrounds, or
Manhattan people, as it is now, at the Garden, or in Philly, or is Los
Angeles, etc

Put the damn thing in Coney Island, there is plenty of room, tons of
people there and an already existing minor league baseball stadium, so
the marketing partnerships could be endless

I have waited a long time for my Brooklyn to get a a major sports
franchise and if the good folks in Northern New Jersey don't come out;
the Nets went to two Finals and still did not sell out during the year AND
the Devils went to two Finals around the same time and still had the
same difficulty. The last time I checked, there was a proposal to move
the Devils to Newark

Personally, if both teams moved to Newark, I would be absolutely cool
with that. The Devils moved from Colorado in the early 80's and the
Nets were an original ABA team (Pacers, Spurts, Nuggets are the only
teams retained when the ABA and NBA merged in the 70's) and played
their games in Nassau (where the Islanders play). So both teams to
me should retain that New Jersey vibe if possible

But if Ratner and I do mean Rat, moves the team to Brooklyn, there are
MANY of us natives who would be thrilled, but MANY of these natives
has said the same thing, move it to Coney Island

Reduce the amount of the cost of product and people will still respond
and create tremendous brand loyalty. It has worked before and I feel
it would work again.

If he really wants this in Brooklyn, then make the damn thing affordable
for all from Brooklyn and surrounding areas to make it to the game.

This has been a coffee and endorphin fueled rant, thank you.

Oiseau wrote:
you know, my home town passed a law that any new buildings must have off-the-street parking. Not a bad idea for NYC.

Yes, encourage auto ownership. That's genius!

Anonymous wrote: no, but the owners of the autos would have a place to park.. People do not go out and buy a car just because they have a parking space. Give me a break, genius.

Word to the wise, if you're going to post anonymously and pick fights, you're not going to get the respect you want... Assuming respect is something you respect.

wow, Oiseau, is this some crazy coincidence, or do you just love rehashing argumentative old topics weve gone over and over and over and over and over on here?

add something, or just leave the topics alone. simply asking a generic question thats been asked on here a zillion times is, well, sorta lame, especialyl when it appears rahter transparent that the reason is to stir up tired old debates.

if you wanna know how people really feel (as opposed to whipping all of us opinionated folks back int oa frenzy), just search the topics and read up on em before you post. if its been covered utterly to death already, odds are you might not get a warm reception for reposting it.