Election 2008: So is Old Man McCain finished?
Intrade has him with a 34.6% of winning the presidential race. I can't see this splintered republican candidate with a chance in hell of winning over barry's Obamentum
not a chance....
And with Pelosi's endorsement of not seating the Florida's delegates, added to her "urging" that the superdelegates abide by the popular vote which has Obama in a decided win over Billary...
wellllll.... the next intrade prediction should be how long before an assassination attempt is made on President Obama
not a chance....
And with Pelosi's endorsement of not seating the Florida's delegates, added to her "urging" that the superdelegates abide by the popular vote which has Obama in a decided win over Billary...
wellllll.... the next intrade prediction should be how long before an assassination attempt is made on President Obama
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Subject: Re: Election 2008: So is McCain finished?
quijibo wrote: wellllll.... the next intrade prediction should be how long before an assassination attempt is made on President Obama
If he picks Clinton as his running mate, that definitely won't happen. -
Subject: Re: Election 2008: So is McCain finished?
Carnivore wrote: If he picks Clinton as his running mate, that definitely won't happen.
I doubt Clinton's ego would accept #2.
Richardson would get him the hispanic vote
Edwards the southern vote
look. he's already got the LOLcat vote
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Obama et McBush win Wisconsin...
and ZOMG! McBush is pitting his wife Cindy against Michelle!McCain Rips Obama
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4311669&page=1
Republican frontrunner Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., moved yet another step closer tonight toward securing the GOP nomination, defeating former Gov. Mike Huckabee, R-Ark., and Rep. Ron Paul, R-Tex., in the Wisconsin Republican primary.
McCain made progress in wooing conservatives skeptical of his record, splitting them evenly with Huckabee, according to preliminary exit poll results. McCain also won four in 10 very conservative voters, his best showing so far. However Huckabee, a former Baptist minister, held onto his advantage among Christian evangelicals, winning them by 20 points, according to preliminary exit poll results.
With his wife Cindy McCain standing by his side, McCain took a swipe against Obama in a victory speech focused on the fight against terrorism.
"I will work hard to make sure Americans aren't deceived by an eloquent but empty call for change," McCain said.
The presumed Republican nominee also knocked his likely Democratic opponent by taking a shot at the "confused leadership of an inexperienced candidate."
McCain also took a subtle dig at Obama's wife, Michelle Obama.
"I have never lived a day, in good times or bad, that I haven't been proud of the privilege" of being an American, said McCain. "Don't tell me what we can't do. Don't tell me we can't make our country stronger and the world safer. We can. We must. And when I'm President we will."
Michelle Obama has been criticized for saying in Milwaukee, Wisconsin Monday, "For the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm really proud of my country . . . not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change."
McCain spokeswoman Jill Hazelbaker called the swipe at Obama, "a preview of things to come." -
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/us/politics/21mccain.html?_r=2&hp=&pagewanted=all
her name is Vicki Iseman.
she is a 40 year old lobbyist.
she is close friends with happily married 71 year old McBush
Mr. McCain’s presidential campaign issued the following statement Wednesday night:
“It is a shame that The New York Times has lowered its standards to engage in a hit-and-run smear campaign. John McCain has a 24-year record of serving our country with honor and integrity. He has never violated the public trust, never done favors for special interests or lobbyists, and he will not allow a smear campaign to distract from the issues at stake in this election.
“Americans are sick and tired of this kind of gutter politics, and there is nothing in this story to suggest that John McCain has ever violated the principles that have guided his career.” -
quijibo wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/us/politics/21mccain.html?_r=2&hp=&pagewanted=all
Perhaps, if this ends up being a scandal w/legs--no pun intended--it would open the door for Romney to reenter the race, not to mention bolster Huckabee's position. This would be a good thing, since either one would be less of a challenge to Obama, IMHO, if he were the Dems' candidate.
her name is Vicki Iseman.
she is a 40 year old lobbyist.
she is close friends with happily married 71 year old McBushMr. McCain’s presidential campaign issued the following statement Wednesday night:
“It is a shame that The New York Times has lowered its standards to engage in a hit-and-run smear campaign. John McCain has a 24-year record of serving our country with honor and integrity. He has never violated the public trust, never done favors for special interests or lobbyists, and he will not allow a smear campaign to distract from the issues at stake in this election.
“Americans are sick and tired of this kind of gutter politics, and there is nothing in this story to suggest that John McCain has ever violated the principles that have guided his career.” -
MichaelKeys wrote: Perhaps, if this ends up being a scandal w/legs--no pun intended--it would open the door for Romney to reenter the race, not to mention bolster Huckabee's position. This would be a good thing, since either one would be less of a challenge to Obama, IMHO, if he were the Dems' candidate.
Too little too late for that, I think. -
Carnivore wrote: [quote=MichaelKeys]Perhaps, if this ends up being a scandal w/legs--no pun intended--it would open the door for Romney to reenter the race, not to mention bolster Huckabee's position. This would be a good thing, since either one would be less of a challenge to Obama, IMHO, if he were the Dems' candidate.
Too little too late for that, I think.
It would have to get bad enough for McCain to withdraw from the race.
Did anybody else see William Bennett as his spokeslawyer and think, ooooo he musta done some impropriety. Bennett's defensive line on the late news: "we are only hearing this now because he's running for president"
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Pretty ho-hum stuff. Even if they could prove it happened by providing the pics without which it did not happen, it's too late to stop McCain from getting the nomination.
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that was just a jab the NYT threw, wait for the next story with full details
as is, this story will make it even more likely the Republican base will stay home in November -
quijibo wrote: as is, this story will make it even more likely the Republican base will stay home in November
I doubt it. Sure there will be a few pouters, but most of their asses will get realistic in a hurry come November. The kooks have taken their best shot, and if their arguments didn't take hold with primary voters they're not going to rig with less interested and less conservative general election voters. Two other things: 1) McCain was never a "family values"-type guy and he's going to get the nomination anyway, and 2) Middle of the road types and independents will pretty much ignore (or at least, choose to disbelieve) this stuff. Bill Clinton is evidence of that.
No, I must regard the notion that any significant number of Republicans will stay home out of spite and hand Obama (or Hillary) the presidency as wishful thinking. This election will be hard fought closer than most people think. -
Drano wrote:
Yes, it will be hard fought indeed, but as it's been stated many times before, Hillary would galvanize the Republican base and bring them out to campaign and vote against the Dems in a way that Obama wouldn't. Not that he'd get the red carpet treatment, but the irate Republican response to the word "Clinton" is nothing short of Pavlovian.
No, I must regard the notion that any significant number of Republicans will stay home out of spite and hand Obama (or Hillary) the presidency as wishful thinking. This election will be hard fought closer than most people think. -
MichaelKeys wrote: [quote=Drano]
Yes, it will be hard fought indeed, but as it's been stated many times before, Hillary would galvanize the Republican base and bring them out to campaign and vote against the Dems in a way that Obama wouldn't. Not that he'd get the red carpet treatment, but the irate Republican response to the word "Clinton" is nothing short of Pavlovian.
No, I must regard the notion that any significant number of Republicans will stay home out of spite and hand Obama (or Hillary) the presidency as wishful thinking. This election will be hard fought closer than most people think.
I don't think the right has gotten around to Obama yet, that's all.Racist Anti-Obama Campaign No Longer Stealth: O'Reilly's Lynching Threat, Lies About Faith and More
I'm not looking forward to this.
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/#77472
I've noticed a certain uptick in scaremongering stories and racist drivel about Barack Obama coming out of the wingnut media machine since he started to gain enough momentum that it looks like it's possible he'll be on the ballot come November. And while the wingnuts still hate McCain, they'll eventually get over it. What this uptick really says to me is that they're gearing up for the day that they no longer have Hillary Clinton to kick around anymore. -
pitu wrote: [quote=MichaelKeys][quote=Drano]
Yes, it will be hard fought indeed, but as it's been stated many times before, Hillary would galvanize the Republican base and bring them out to campaign and vote against the Dems in a way that Obama wouldn't. Not that he'd get the red carpet treatment, but the irate Republican response to the word "Clinton" is nothing short of Pavlovian.
No, I must regard the notion that any significant number of Republicans will stay home out of spite and hand Obama (or Hillary) the presidency as wishful thinking. This election will be hard fought closer than most people think.
I don't think the right has gotten around to Obama yet, that's all.Racist Anti-Obama Campaign No Longer Stealth: O'Reilly's Lynching Threat, Lies About Faith and More
I'm not looking forward to this.
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/#77472
I've noticed a certain uptick in scaremongering stories and racist drivel about Barack Obama coming out of the wingnut media machine since he started to gain enough momentum that it looks like it's possible he'll be on the ballot come November. And while the wingnuts still hate McCain, they'll eventually get over it. What this uptick really says to me is that they're gearing up for the day that they no longer have Hillary Clinton to kick around anymore.
You're absolutely right, they haven't really gotten to him yet, but Hillary as prez means Bill will be around in some capacity and that's THE LAST THING the GOP wants to see happen. We all know that. Hell, Bill's been out of office for almost 8 years and every day these people blame him for everything from the color of the sky to the wetness of water. -
McCain caught in a serious contradiction by Newsweek. The story in Salon.com:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/02/22/mccain/ -
Diebold Accidentally Releases 2008 Election Results Early
Winner: McCain 48%
Diebold Accidentally Leaks Results Of 2008 Election Early -
Okay, now this is pretty amusing:
McCain’s Canal Zone Birth Prompts Queries About Whether That Rules Him OutCarl Hulse, NY Times wrote: Mr. McCain’s likely nomination as the Republican candidate for president and the happenstance of his birth in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936 are reviving a musty debate that has surfaced periodically since the founders first set quill to parchment and declared that only a “natural-born citizen” can hold the nation’s highest office.
There is apparently no existing...erm...precedent for this issue, so I guess this year is all about firsts, ain't it. -
jeffrey wrote: Okay, now this is pretty amusing:
There is apparently no existing...erm...precedent for this issue, so I guess this year is all about firsts, ain't it.
McCain’s Canal Zone Birth Prompts Queries About Whether That Rules Him Out
[quote=Carl Hulse, NY Times]Mr. McCain’s likely nomination as the Republican candidate for president and the happenstance of his birth in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936 are reviving a musty debate that has surfaced periodically since the founders first set quill to parchment and declared that only a “natural-born citizen” can hold the nation’s highest office.
oh sweet jesus. if this goes to the supreme court, I am going to scream. -
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I'm copying this from my post in the Obama thread.
McCain is a joke. There is simply no way to explain away repeatedly making this mistake. Only someone who has no real knowledge of the Iran/Iraq dynamics could say something this ignorant...
John McCain, the "most qualified candidate on foreign policy" doesn't understand the basic differences between Sunni and Shiite. How else to explain him clinging to the painfully ignorant claim that "Iran supports and trains 'Al Qaeda in Iraq'"?...With increasing frequency, McCain reminds us that he really doesn’t know what he’s talking about most of the time.
original link here from Steven Benen @ Carpetbagger
All of this is, of course, wrong. Al Qaeda is Sunni; Iran is Shiite. This is “common knowledge.” McCain was speaking with authority about the basics in the Middle East, and getting the regional dynamic backwards.
Sen. John McCain, traveling in the Middle East to promote his foreign policy expertise, misidentified in remarks Tuesday which broad category of Iraqi extremists are allegedly receiving support from Iran.
He said several times that Iran, a predominately Shiite country, was supplying the mostly Sunni militant group, al-Qaeda. In fact, officials have said they believe Iran is helping Shiite extremists in Iraq.
Speaking to reporters in Amman, the Jordanian capital, McCain said he and two Senate colleagues traveling with him continue to be concerned about Iranian operatives “taking al-Qaeda into Iran, training them and sending them back.”
Pressed to elaborate, McCain said it was “common knowledge and has been reported in the media that al-Qaeda is going back into Iran and receiving training and are coming back into Iraq from Iran, that’s well known. And it’s unfortunate.” -
The old man needs a fucking nap!
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FOUR (x25) MORE YEARS!
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From the NYT: McCain Stumbles on HIV Prevention
Here's the best part:Reporter: “Should U.S. taxpayer money go to places like Africa to fund contraception to prevent AIDS?”
Seriously, I think McCain forgot to take his Alzheimer's meds.
Mr. McCain: “Well I think it’s a combination. The guy I really respect on this is Dr. Coburn. He believes – and I was just reading the thing he wrote– that you should do what you can to encourage abstinence where there is going to be sexual activity. Where that doesn’t succeed, than he thinks that we should employ contraceptives as well. But I agree with him that the first priority is on abstinence. I look to people like Dr. Coburn. I’m not very wise on it.”
(Mr. McCain turns to take a question on Iraq, but a moment later looks back to the reporter who asked him about AIDS.)
Mr. McCain: “I haven’t thought about it. Before I give you an answer, let me think about. Let me think about it a little bit because I never got a question about it before. I don’t know if I would use taxpayers’ money for it.”
Q: “What about grants for sex education in the United States? Should they include instructions about using contraceptives? Or should it be Bush’s policy, which is just abstinence?”
Mr. McCain: (Long pause) “Ahhh. I think I support the president’s policy.”
Q: “So no contraception, no counseling on contraception. Just abstinence. Do you think contraceptives help stop the spread of HIV?”
Mr. McCain: (Long pause) “You’ve stumped me.”
Q: “I mean, I think you’d probably agree it probably does help stop it?”
Mr. McCain: (Laughs) “Are we on the Straight Talk express? I’m not informed enough on it. Let me find out. You know, I’m sure I’ve taken a position on it on the past. I have to find out what my position was. Brian, would you find out what my position is on contraception – I’m sure I’m opposed to government spending on it, I’m sure I support the president’s policies on it.”
Q: “But you would agree that condoms do stop the spread of sexually transmitted diseases. Would you say: ‘No, we’re not going to distribute them,’ knowing that?”
Mr. McCain: (Twelve-second pause) “Get me Coburn’s thing, ask Weaver to get me Coburn’s paper that he just gave me in the last couple of days. I’ve never gotten into these issues before.” -
Check out McCain on Letterman tonight.
Apparently he flared up at Letterman for his opening monologue "old guy McCain" jokes, according to a NY Times report submitted after this evening's taping.
Hah, this whole general election run-up is going to be so awesome.
**edited to add:
On second thought, not having seen it yet, I wonder if it's just staged by Letterman's writers, to give McCain some punch lines.
Can't tell from the report above if it's actually a real and contentious, off-the cuff reactionary rant or just an intentional, humorous (April Fools!...) exchange meant to come off as spontaneous.
Guess we'll have to see if he gives his angry WALNUTS! face.
(cue Carny to repost that here...
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***edited again to add:
On third thought, of course this is just advance April Fools stunt b.s./hype.
Darn. Was hoping to see that famous angry critter face again.
Oh well. Back to our regularly scheduled programming... -
^ That's the one!
So, just watched the cue-card-read insults stunt.
I want that 4 minutes of my life back. -
An interesting editorial about the lack of awareness of Old Man McCain's anti-choice stance:
18 wrote: Pass It On: 75% of Pro-Choice Voters Need to Know the Truth -- John McCain Does Not Support a Woman's Right to Choose[/size]
Morra Aarons-Mele Thu Apr 3, 11:57 PM ET
Among McCain's pro-choice women supporters, 50% don't know his positions and an additional 25% assume his views are in line with their own! McCain has stated (it's on his website) he thinks Roe v. Wade should be overturned.**
McCain's reputation on choice is a favorable grey area for him among women voters. In a post on BlogHer, Catherine Morgan asked: "Is John McCain a Pro-Choice Republican? Would you vote for him if he was? There seems to be a lot of confusion over whether or not John McCain is pro-choice or pro-life. Why is that"?
We need to work to end this confusion. If you are pro-choice it is your job to tell the truth about John McCain! McCain's record is really, really anti-choice. Not only anti-choice, but anti-sex ed, anti-emergency contraception, and anti-women.
Catherine suggested we "put a call out to the other bloggers who read it, to post on their sites about ending this confusion"? So here's a start. Help us end the confusion: Please click here to read the record and find a printable flyer to spread around.
At BlogHer, commenter Larn33 echoes the sentiments of many: "I'm hearing a LOT of people say that if Obama/Clinton (it goes both ways) gets the nomination, that they'll vote for McCain -- even though they're pro-choice! It baffles me. How are people willing to vote for the candidate that is basically the opposite of the democratic candidate they support? What would this accomplish"?
Dana writes, "when I had to research the McCain campaign, I read on his website that he wants to overturn Roe v. Wade and only legalize abortions in case of dire medical necessity, or pregnancies as the result of rape or incest. I suppose that would make him Pro-Life with Exceptions."
I'm glad that McCain would support abortions in such situations, but this doesn't make him moderate or pro-choice!
Again, pass it on. When pro-choice friends start waxing about McCain, remind them of his record.
** A new poll from Planned Parenthood
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