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Hamilton wrote: At times Sweat gets out of control and on numerous occasions has been punched out for his aggressive behavior
This guy should start hanging out in the Slope. Most of us would just toss (at least) a buck at him and then scuttle off in terror. -
Drano wrote: [quote=Hamilton]At times Sweat gets out of control and on numerous occasions has been punched out for his aggressive behavior
This guy should start hanging out in the Slope. Most of us would just toss (at least) a buck at him and then scuttle off in terror.
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Thats good to know ,what street corner would you recommend? -
Hamilton wrote: Thats good to know ,what street corner would you recommend?
Anywhere on 7th between Flatbush and 2nd Street. After 2nd you're going to get pummelled by roving high school students trying to be badass or mean-for-the-Slope types coming out of Ye Olde Carriage House that would be happy to serve you up a knuckle sandwich. Plus the foot traffic before 2nd is a lot better for harrasment/donation solicitation what with the Connecticut Muffin right there.
Hope that helps. -
Drano wrote: [quote=Hamilton]Thats good to know ,what street corner would you recommend?
Anywhere on 7th between Flatbush and 2nd Street. After 2nd you're going to get pummelled by roving high school students trying to be badass or mean-for-the-Slope types coming out of Ye Olde Carriage House that would be happy to serve you up a knuckle sandwich. Plus the foot traffic before 2nd is a lot better for harrasment/donation solicitation what with the Connecticut Muffin right there.
Hope that helps.
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Thanks, I'll drop him off today. -
Have you tried Bill DeBlasio’s office? I know he is heavily involved in ridding Brooklyn schools of styrofoam but should be able to do something about this situation. You can tell his office they're drinking their wine out of styrofoam cups.
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eggcream wrote: Have you tried Bill DeBlasio’s office? I know he is heavily involved in ridding Brooklyn schools of styrofoam but should be able to do something about this situation. You can tell his office they're drinking their wine out of styrofoam cups.

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They are totally green, they guzzle directly from the bottle, which is wrapped in a brown paper bag and will only sleep on recycled cardboard.. -
If you have a complaint about the Liquor store selling to visibly intoxicated people. You can call the NYS Liquor Authority and lodge a formal complaint. They have investigators that will come out and can issue them violations. The last thing a Liquor store wants to do is lose their license.
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King without a crown wrote: If you have a complaint about the Liquor store selling to visibly intoxicated people. You can call the NYS Liquor Authority and lodge a formal complaint. They have investigators that will come out and can issue them violations. The last thing a Liquor store wants to do is lose their license.
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Thank you, I'll contact them as soon as I receive an update from the Windsor Terrace Alliance and Community Board 7. -
Oh my, because I've been so busy trying to start and operate this new store, Windsor Wines & Spirits, I've been unaware of the problems and controversy swirling around this issue of serving the homeless. I wish someone would have spoken with me personally so any misunderstandings and misperceptions could have been laid to rest. For this is a matter that I have given much thought and consideration.
My first inclination when I was made aware of this site, was to draft a response lashing out in self-defense for being so misrepresented. However, an incendiary response wouldn't help in the discussion.
Unfortunately, the trouble with these blogs, is that people can write whatever they want regardless of the truth or accuracy of their comments and absent of any journalistic standard, and other trusting, less scrutinizing readers are likely to take what is written as gospel.
So let me make this clear, here is Windsor Wines & Spirits policy: We do NOT serve the visibly intoxicated. We DO serve the homeless.
Alcoholism and homelessness are socio-economic issues that need to be addressed by a community, borough, state, and nation and it is unfair and unreasonable to put the onus of that problem on one business. The problem was created long before any individual stepped into our store.
One of the surprising and wonderful gifts that owning this store has given me, is a chance to get to know these homeless people on a personal level. They each have rich, fascinating, tragic, and noble stories to tell.
Unfortunately when faced with the filth and stench, we sometimes wish the homeless to disappear hoping perhaps to protect our property value and be spared of the daily reminder of the hardship of others, but I think we are called to welcome their presence and friendship.
Sweat, who was indeed sleeping between our store and Dub pies on a recent Sunday, did need to have an ambulance come and pick him up. I did serve him vodka that day. However, he needed it to salve the pain of an infected, horribly swollen knee. He also planted himself at that location for the very reason of getting medical attention. I'm glad he got it.
Billy, also known as Lefty, who lives outside the entrance to this store, has been there for over 15 years. I've owned this shop for just 3 months. I'm not willing to make his life harder by trying to uproot him just for the sake of appearance. Moreover, his addiction of choice does not involve this wine shop.
Other than breaking some public behavior laws, the homeless in this community are almost to a person harmless and law abiding. I think it unwise to tempt them, out of desperation, to find succor through crime and theft.
We make less than 50 cents on half pints of Alexi and Georgi vodka. Profit is not our motivation in selling it. Our motivation is that people want it and in some cases need it. Perfectly respectable and sober individuals request that item because it's affordable and within their budget.
We have no more control over the well dressed business man who buys an expensive, high end vodka then hours later gets behind a wheel any more than we do over the severe alcoholic who drinks quietly in the park to steady his tremors. My hope and wish is that each of us will use alcohol responsibly, but the fact remains that some don't.
On our part, we'll do what we can to help alleviate the plight of the homeless, but not if it means refusing them service in order to pass the problem on to a neighboring community.
I realize by making this decision, I'm not absolved of my responsibilty of feeding the addiction of a few, but my blame does not exceed that of a deli owner who sells cigarettes, a bar that serves regulars pints of beer, or a fast food chain that serves customers fatty foods. We are all, as individuals and a society, culpable on some level. And in a country that hails the freedom of the individual, I don't believe it's my place to make behavioral choices for others.
In a world where most issues of morality are seldom black and white, I feel comfortable guided by the principles of kindness and compassion from which I was raised, to live within the gray of life.
I'm sure some may have differing ideas, and I'm willing to hear others opinions and suggestions and welcome people visiting and addressing them to me personally, but not over a faceless blog.
If individuals are still unhappy with this store's policy and viewpoints then I welcome you to boycott or make appeals to other authorities. I'm more than willing to defend my position before Community Board 7 or the State Liquor Authority.
Thanks for taking the time to read this, and come in and visit us. We really are nice folks who mean the best.
Cheers!
John Lenartz
Owner
Windsor Wine & Spirits, Inc.
469 16th Street
Brooklyn, NY 11215
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John -
Thanks for coming and telling another side of the story. -
Subject: The truth be told
My posting of 4/29 was not a faceless fabrication and represents exactly what occurred, I entered your establishment and spoke with a 40-ish clerk who had black hair and was discussing Vodkas with a client whose bill came to $88.00
I advised the clerk of both my and the community's concerns about the homeless who enter the store while intoxicated and are then sold alcohol.
I feel you should discuss it with him, as the response he gave was less than assuring that the problem would be addressed
As far as Sweat is concerned, he obviously wasn't waiting for an ambulance, he was flat on his back and out cold along with an another drunk , who is laying next to him, was he also waiting for an ambulance?
If you were really concerned about Sweat's well being you should have called for an ambulance rather than sold him alcohol,which just added to his problem.
Billy/Lefty has nothing to do with my posting .
I'm addressing the ongoing problem of homeless drunks urinating and defecating on 16th st and in the circle at Bartel Pritchard Sq.
Your statement:
"We'll do what we can to help alleviate the plight of the homeless, but not if it means refusing them service in order to pass the problem on to a neighboring community."
COMMERCE OVER COMMUNITY!
I hope you're not serious that you think it's ok to continue to contaminate our community because you don't want to burden another community.
The answer is very simple: if someone intoxicated enters your establishment, refuse to service them.
I'm not trying to start a movement to interfere with your business and I will stop by in the next day or two and we can have a further discussion on this. -
johnlenartz wrote: Oh my, because I've been so busy trying to start and operate this new store, Windsor Wines & Spirits, I've been unaware of the problems and controversy swirling around this issue of serving the homeless. I wish someone would have spoken with me personally so any misunderstandings and misperceptions could have been laid to rest. For this is a matter that I have given much thought and consideration.
Mr. Lenartz, thank you for your thoughtful response to the matter. However, I would take anything written here with a grain of salt.
Cheers!
John Lenartz
Owner
Windsor Wine & Spirits, Inc.
469 16th Street
Brooklyn, NY 11215
718-768-2291
With regards to the individual who was calling you out, before you he/she was on holy mission against the skateboarding kids on the Park Circle, and before them God knows who else. It just so appears that you are the latest in a chain of easy and visible targets.
Best of luck with your business, and keep your head up.
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Thoughtful Response?
Actually, I was brought to tears when the owner stated how he served vodka to Sweat, as he needed it to alleviate the pain of an infected, horribly swollen knee and how Sweat planted himself on the street between the Liquor store and Dub's, awaiting medical attention.
Hey, who needs Mother Theresa
I'm sure Dub's clients were delighted by the sight of an unconscious body by the benches they sit on.
Now to move off-topic on to your statement of skateboarding "kids".
This another case of your selective misinterpretation of what was
posted in the past.
My postings of last year clearly stated they were not kids, but 18 to 20 yr olds on amphetamines who thought nothing of crashing into women with carriages, knocking people down and threatening them if they
complained.
I guess, much to your dismay, the 78th pct agreed with me and nailed them with summons and they went elsewhere.
I'm glad to have been part of a movement to get rid of them.
By the way - I also:
Shut down a crack house on PPW and 14th st.
Had an obscene billboard taken down at 205 PPW
Filmed three punks assaulting someone in the circle, which led to their arrest.
I would list more, but it might further infuriate you... rather than being perceived as beneficial to the community - it would be perceived as an affront to your peculiar standard of existence.
They only community reference I've seen from you, was the fact you take your children out and show them Skid Row types
What a Dad.
I would like to ask you a question -and I hope you can give an honest answer - didn't you use to post under the name 'Restless Native' ?And weren't you banned from this forum? -
So what happened to Sweat? Did he get medical attention? Does his knee still hurt?
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Hamilton, I think you should be commended for what you do for your community. You should take over De Blasio's job.
Maybe obamanut can invite the drunken guys to live in his apt.
I was looking forward to trying those Dub pies after someone here mentioned them but I'll pass, for now anyway. -
johnlenartz wrote:
I'm just glad we have a new quick response medical center in Windsor Terrace where our maladies can be diagnosed and then have treatment prescribed and sold in a pint flask!
Sweat, who was indeed sleeping between our store and Dub pies on a recent Sunday, did need to have an ambulance come and pick him up. I did serve him vodka that day. However, he needed it to salve the pain of an infected, horribly swollen knee. He also planted himself at that location for the very reason of getting medical attention. I'm glad he got it.
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DukeofWindsor wrote: So what happened to Sweat? Did he get medical attention? Does his knee still hurt?
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He's back in action,on Wed. evening a friend and myself were sitting outside of Conn. Muffin, he was in the Circle arguing with another drunk who was in a wheelchair.
As he approached her ,she stood up and started to wave her cane at him, he then responded by flailing his cane at her and before we knew it we were watching a wino dueling match that appeared to be straight out of a Mel Brooks Movie, it came to an abrupt end when one of the other Circle dwellers came to the aid of the Damsel in distress,he grabbed Sweat and threw him head first into a bench .
On thursday evening he tried to intercede in an argument between two Circle dwellers and was slammed to the ground, breaking his half pint of the Miracle Vodka he purchased a half hour earlier.
As it's going to rain today ,I'll have to wait till Saturday evening to experience the ongoing saga of Sweat and the Circle Dwellers. -
Please keep us posted!
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turtle95 wrote: [quote=johnlenartz]
I'm just glad we have a new quick response medical center in Windsor Terrace where our maladies can be diagnosed and then have treatment prescribed and sold in a pint flask!
Sweat, who was indeed sleeping between our store and Dub pies on a recent Sunday, did need to have an ambulance come and pick him up. I did serve him vodka that day. However, he needed it to salve the pain of an infected, horribly swollen knee. He also planted himself at that location for the very reason of getting medical attention. I'm glad he got it.
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There may be a miracle cure in the vodka,who knows ,this may be the new Lourdes.
I can envision the walls of Windsor Liquor being lined with crutches,canes and wheel chairs from the handicapped who were serviced there.
Gotta get me a bottle of that stuff. -
eggcream wrote: Hamilton, I think you should be commended for what you do for your community. You should take over De Blasio's job.
Maybe obamanut can invite the drunken guys to live in his apt.
I was looking forward to trying those Dub pies after someone here mentioned them but I'll pass, for now anyway.
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Thank you.
I've always been inspired by George Bernard Shaws
"Some men see things as they are and say why.
Others dream things that never were and say why not"
As far as taking De Blasio's job, it would be difficult, as neither he or I know what it is.
it's ok to try Dubs as the area is now body free.
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Hamilton wrote:
You left out the rest: "and the vast majority of men are too busy working to be bothered about 'offensive bus stop advertisements.'"
Thank you.
I've always been inspired by George Bernard Shaws
"Some men see things as they are and say why.
Others dream things that never were and say why not"
On a serious note however, the other day as I was returning from the post office, I noticed Joey and Sweat sitting in the same spot next to "Dub Pies," looking around. I found myself deeply offended and angered by such an eyesore. I guess what I'm trying to say is, count me in on your war against homeless people.
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I'm fortunate enough that I don't have to work.[sorry about that]
The billboard that was removed was for a Spanish Radio Station that featured a naked male in it , not an offensive bus stop advertisement as you erroneously stated (wrong again).
I assume you were taking your wife and kids on a Skid Row tour to celebrate Mother's Day when you spotted Joey and Sweat .
For some reason, you refuse to understand this thread is about the illegal sale of alcohol to people who are inebriated, not a war on the homeless.
Don't you ever get tired of your contrarian rants?
Everyone else has.
It's good thing Will Rogers never met you. -
Hamilton wrote: I'm fortunate enough that I don't have to work.[sorry about that]
You don't seem that sorry
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Subject: off the thread but...??
Were you seriously offended by a picture of a naked male?
The billboard that was removed was for a Spanish Radio Station that featured a naked male in it , not a offensive bus stop advertisement as you erroneously stated[ wrong again] -
Hamilton wrote: I'm fortunate enough that I don't have to work.[sorry about that]
The billboard that was removed was for a Spanish Radio Station that featured a naked male in it , not a offensive bus stop advertisement as you erroneously stated[ wrong again]
I assume you were taking your wife and kids on a Skid Row tour to celebrate Mothers Day when you spotted Joey and Sweat .
For some reason you refuse to understand this thread is about the illegal sale of alcohol to people who are inebriated ,not a war on the homeless.
Don't you ever tired of your contrarain rants ,everyone else is.
It's good thing Will Rogers never met you.
I remember that billboard - it was a photo of some morbidly obese degenerate naked in a box.
That was truly disgusting - and you did everyone a favor by having it removed. -
J.Farell wrote: I remember that billboard - it was a photo of some morbidly obese degenerate naked in a box.
*shrug* To each his own. Brooktrout obviously dug on it.
That was truly disgusting - and you did everyone a favor by having it removed.
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daver wrote: [quote=J.Farell]I remember that billboard - it was a photo of some morbidly obese degenerate naked in a box.
*shrug* To each his own. Brooktrout obviously dug on it.
That was truly disgusting - and you did everyone a favor by having it removed.
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sorry, i never actually saw the billboard. just amazes me to read what bothers people here. here. you know - brooklyn. one of the five boroughs of NEW YORK CITY. the biggest city in america. a city where you might see a racy advert or a homeless guy on a park bench! yikes. move to salt lake city if you can't hack it...they make special budwieser with lower alcohol levels, and the bars close at 1am. and the only thing you see on billboards is JESUS LOVES YOU kind of stuff...
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brooktrout wrote: and the only thing you see on billboards is JESUS LOVES YOU kind of stuff...
That would seriously offend me.
Jesus doesn't want me for a sunbeam.
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