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2008 Presidental Election: Obama v McCain - Page 14 — Brooklynian

2008 Presidental Election: Obama v McCain

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  • carnivore
    carnivore
    The Bush tax cut.
    Affirmative action.
    Torture.
    Energy conservation with small changes.
    Oil drilling.
    Renewable energy.

    The list goes on. McCain has had literally dozens of flipflops since July. He has morphed from a "maverick" (which was always more image than reality) to a Bush clone, towing the line on every Repug hot-button issue.

    Here's a list of recent McCain reversals:
    http://www.bi30.org/wordpress/flipflopper.htm

    A McCain Presidency would be the real disaster. The country can't take another 4 years of this crap.
  • daver
    daver
    Carnivore wrote: [quote=18]What If They Put On a Republican Convention and No One Came?[/size]
    by: Matt Stoller
    Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 19:36

    You can see my full set of RNC photos here.

    image
    Cool pano
  • daver
    daver
    CNN alert:
    Economy Shed 84,000 Jobs in August; Unemployment Rate Jumped to 6.1%

    The government said Friday that the American economy lost
    84,000 private nonfarm jobs in August, the eighth straight
    month of job losses. The unemployment rate jumped to 6.1
    percent in August, the highest in nearly five years. Both
    figures were worse than economists had forecast.
    Wows. Who's a gonna fix dis?
  • daver
    daver
    apollonia666 wrote: Oh, the McCain camp reaction was to throw a hissy fit and pull a scheduled interview with Larry King
    Taken at face value, it looks pretty stupid and hissyfit-ish. I wonder about what the WSJ article says though, about it perhaps being part of a broader strategy to paint the media and their coverage of the McCain campaign (in general) in a certain light. In which case, fitting move, I suppose.
  • witch-king
    witch-king
    If McCain is inclined to avoid direct questions from the media, it makes me wonder whether the story of his 'bravery' in the Hanoi Hilton is myth?
  • daver
    daver
    witch-king wrote: If McCain is inclined to avoid direct questions from the media, it makes me wonder whether the story of his 'bravery' in the Hanoi Hilton is myth?
    What direct questions is McCain avoiding? I seem to recall stories a month or so about him allowing more media constant media access than anybody ever. Leading to many gaffes, but yah. How is he avoiding?

    BTW- what 'bravery' ? I don't think it is questioned that he was definitely locked up there for the time in question, I would think _that_ would be enough. Not that it particularly qualifies him for anything mind you, is just _is_.

    Like pooh bear.

    Pooh just _is_.
  • witch-king
    witch-king
    daver wrote: [quote=witch-king]If McCain is inclined to avoid direct questions from the media, it makes me wonder whether the story of his 'bravery' in the Hanoi Hilton is myth?
    What direct questions is McCain avoiding? I seem to recall stories a month or so about him allowing more media constant media access than anybody ever. Leading to many gaffes, but yah. How is he avoiding?

    BTW- what 'bravery' ? I don't think it is questioned that he was definitely locked up there for the time in question, I would think _that_ would be enough. Not that it particularly qualifies him for anything mind you, is just _is_.

    Like pooh bear.

    Pooh just _is_.

    I'm referring to his new 'reticence' to appear with Larry King after one of his operatives was challenged to answer a question by Campbell Brown. I know McCain has been media friendly...now suddenly his campaign is complaining about the media.
  • daver
    daver
    witch-king wrote: I'm referring to his new 'reticence' to appear with Larry King after one of his operatives was challenged to answer a question by Campbell Brown. I know McCain has been media friendly...now suddenly his campaign is complaining about the media.
    I _really_ don't think that is avoiding direct questions by any stretch, especially with King Softy Larry. And I'm not sure how hissyfitting King Larry calls into question McCain's POW experience. I _will_ buy that it is a calculated attempt to portray the media as being against him. *shrug* Honestly, if you look at the numbers I posted SOMEWHERE I would say that McCain has every right to complain about the media, although I have to idea of whether that is a smart thing to do, strategy-wise.
  • boygabriel
    boygabriel
    SevenOneEighty wrote: Seriously, if I thought you really wanted to debate Barrack's record, I would with you and could go toe to toe because i know it. I KNOW McCain's record. See that is the thing, I know where he stands now and before - he has been a public figure for a long time and has a clear record. The Public doenst know Obama...except that he sings a pretty speech...
    McCain has flipped more.
    McCain has flipped more.
    McCain has flipped more.
    SevenOneEighty wrote: Are you saying the media doesnt favor Obama!!?????!!OMFG!!!
    Boygabriel, really.... "Just say no", man...
    lol. Wright. Flag pins. Bitter. Arrugula. Bowling. Michelle hates her country. His middle names is Hussein. nothing's going to change your blind belief in your narratives, is it?
    I still dont know who this guy is...he is a shape shifter.
    It is a complete joke for you to criticize Obama for changing positions but not do the same to McCain.
  • boygabriel
    boygabriel
    daver wrote: ...Honestly, if you look at the numbers I posted SOMEWHERE I would say that McCain has every right to complain about the media, although I have to idea of whether that is a smart thing to do, strategy-wise.
    A Media Matters (liberal but legitimate) study found that while Obama gets more air time, the stories on him are far more likely to be negative.

    :shrugs:
  • daver
    daver
    Boygabriel wrote: [quote=daver]...Honestly, if you look at the numbers I posted SOMEWHERE I would say that McCain has every right to complain about the media, although I have to idea of whether that is a smart thing to do, strategy-wise.
    A Media Matters (liberal but legitimate) study found that while Obama gets more air time, the stories on him are far more likely to be negative.

    :shrugs:
    That is not what Pew one found, reference my post here, but I will look up the Media Matters one too.
  • boygabriel
    boygabriel
    Interesting. I'll try to find the MM one.
  • boygabriel
    boygabriel
    If people faint at Obama speeches, what does it mean if delegates fall asleep during McCain speeches?

    maybe base excitement is unimportant?

    * New York Times Liveblog: "Sleepy? Our colleague Patrick Healy reports from the floor: There is a delegate in the Utah section and a delegate in Puerto Rico who are both drooping, eyes closed -- look asleep -- both are men."
    link
  • carnivore
    carnivore
    RNC ugliness:

    http://www.dailynewscaster.com/2008/09/04/secret-service-confiscates-books-button-from-ron-paul-delegates/
  • boygabriel
    boygabriel
    This isn't the study I was looking for, but a few months ago the LA Times reported on a study by The Center for Media and Public Affairs at George Mason University, "where researchers have tracked network news content for two decades, found that ABC, NBC and CBS were tougher on Obama than on Republican John McCain during the first six weeks of the general-election campaign."
    During the evening news, the majority of statements from reporters and anchors on all three networks are neutral, the center found. And when network news people ventured opinions in recent weeks, 28% of the statements were positive for Obama and 72% negative.

    Network reporting also tilted against McCain, but far less dramatically, with 43% of the statements positive and 57% negative, according to the Washington-based media center.
  • carnivore
    carnivore
    SevenOneEighty wrote: Somebody is officially all alone...on an island!!

    OH SNAP!!!
    LOL!

    WHat else will he flip on next?
    Cant wait for the interview tonight and tomorrow!
    That quote was taken out of context. What Obama said is not a "flip" but an acknowledgment of the reality on the ground. He continued to support his original thought process, and taken in context, I'd say he was pretty damned clear that this was not a flip flop.

    Here is the actual interview, rather than a soundbite:



    I think he came off really well.
  • carnivore
    carnivore
    Point by point comparison of Old Man McSame and Obama:

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/5/141033/4798/862/585965
  • carnivore
    carnivore
  • boygabriel
    boygabriel
    SevenOneEighty wrote: Oh Snap!!

    Now I know where all those Hillary-supporting, disappointed women over 40 might go... since they aren't going to Obama right now.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080829/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_veepstakes
    Yet another false SevenOneEighty claim about bad news for Obama:

    ABC News finds there's no jump in female support for the McCain ticket. Looks like you'll have to change your talking point from "Palin's going to attract Hillary Democrats"
    Given the sharp political divisions she inspires, Palin’s initial impact on vote preferences and on views of McCain looks like a wash, and, contrary to some prognostication, she does not draw disproportionate support from women. But she could potentially assist McCain by energizing the GOP base, in which her reviews are overwhelmingly positive.
    Oh noes! While SevenOneEighty thought she "nailed it", independents and undecided in two swings states didn't!
    Two focus groups of independents and undecideds did not like Palin's speech. The groups were conducted in Michigan and Nevada, respectively. So far, I haven't seen any reports of focus groups that liked Palin's speech.
  • carnivore
    carnivore
    And meanwhile, the Repugs' treatment of Ron Paul supporters is losing them support on the right...

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/022689.html
  • boygabriel
    boygabriel
    Joe Biden hits the homerun Palin can only dream about:

    “It’s not merely a lost job, it’s a lost sense of identity. I don’t think my Republican friends — and this is not your father’s Republican party, by the way. So folks, when I listen to the parts of the Republican convention I can hear…it’s not what I heard, it’s what I didn’t hear. The silence of the Republican party was deafening. It was deafening on jobs, on health care, on the environment, on all the things that matter to the people in the neighborhood’s I grew up in. Deafening! Their America is not the America I live in. They see something different than I see.

    “Rick Davis, John’s campaign manager, said ‘this election is not about issues.’ Everything I saw at the convention demonstrated that.

    “What do you talk about about when you have nothing to say? What do you talk about when you can’t explain the last eight years of failure?”
  • carnivore
    carnivore
    Stewart on McCain's acceptance speech:

  • carnivore
    carnivore
    The McCain campaign bought stock photos of random black people to add color to their slideshow of supporters.

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/5/153224/4904/749/588112
  • carnivore
    carnivore
    McCain vs. McCain on the Daily Show:

  • sweet tea
    sweet tea
    Carnivore wrote: The McCain campaign bought stock photos of random black people to add color to their slideshow of supporters.

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/5/153224/4904/749/588112
    speaking of stock photography, did no one at the convention check to see if the stock photo of walter reed was of walter reed hospital?

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/213806.php
  • sweet tea
    sweet tea
    sweet tea wrote: [quote=Carnivore]The McCain campaign bought stock photos of random black people to add color to their slideshow of supporters.

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/5/153224/4904/749/588112
    speaking of stock photography, did no one at the convention check to see if the stock photo of walter reed was of walter reed hospital?

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/213806.php

    it gets better: the school is pissed
  • boygabriel
    boygabriel
    sweet tea wrote: [quote=Carnivore]The McCain campaign bought stock photos of random black people to add color to their slideshow of supporters.

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/5/153224/4904/749/588112
    speaking of stock photography, did no one at the convention check to see if the stock photo of walter reed was of walter reed hospital?

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/213806.php

    This story is hilarious. McCain would make an excellent president. His staff can't pick the right stock photography, but I'd definitely trust him to start more wars in the middle east.
  • boygabriel
    boygabriel
    So if missing votes in a State Senate is bad, what does that make a man who misses 63% of votes in the Senate?

    I guess I'll have to wait for you to read a book on it.

    Further, McCain by far, leads the pack of senators for votes skipped during the 110th Congress. McCain skipped 63.8% of votes. He beats out stroke sufferer Tim Johnson, and both Obama and Clinton in the midst of their epic struggle who all still managed to attend a majority of votes.
    link

    *waits patiently*
  • sweet tea
    sweet tea
    tricky argument -- hasn't obama missed more votes than mccain if you look at their careers overall? now, of course more of obama's was during a period in which he was running for president, but that leads down not the most advantageous path....

    now, mccain claiming credit for legislation he didn't bother to show up for...meh. but then, i think they should all vote, or else get fined. it is their job.

    didn't john kennedy have the worst voting record in the senate when he was elected pres?
  • carnivore
    carnivore
    Great Frank Rich op-ed piece:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/07/opinion/07rich.html?_r=3&ref=opinion&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
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