Residential Parking Permits being discussed again.
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Subject: Yes to permits but dump street cleaning!
Permit parking ONLY if they get rid of weekly street cleaning. Street cleaning is BS anyway. -
Subject: Re: Yes to permits but dump street cleaning!
wally wrote: Permit parking ONLY if they get rid of weekly street cleaning. Street cleaning is BS anyway.
Street cleaning is NOT BS -- things get ugly in terms of trash buildup when consecutive holidays keep the streets unswept for several weeks at a time.
And MeredithB...dude, people are telling you they are getting tickets on their cars at night. You don't believe? I've seen NYPD cruisers ticketing in Park Slope. No "meter maids" required. Why is that so hard to believe?
p.s. to the original topic -- I wonder how permits would change things.
I'm for folks using the trains, but I know half of the rest of Brooklyn is parking in Park Slope for restaurants and whatevah . . . so the residential permit thing intrigues me. -
Subject: Re: Yes to permits but dump street cleaning!
pitu wrote: And MeredithB...dude, people are telling you they are getting tickets on their cars at night. You don't believe? I've seen NYPD cruisers ticketing in Park Slope. No "meter maids" required. Why is that so hard to believe?
It may happen occasionally, not frequently. And it's easy to believe because the police have a reputation for doing much. -
I have been ticketed at 12:34am in a no-parking 12am-?? zone in Brooklyn. Subway went down and I couldn't get home in time to move it.
Permits are a joke in Boston. If you want to go to a business in another area, you probably can't because you can't park. Park Slope businesses will (and should) hate permits. Besides, permits are just another name for a tax. Everyone should be using the term Parking Tax instead.
When you get home at 9pm and you can't find a parking spot, it's not because of commuter, it's because of your neighbor. How will permits solve this problem? They won't.
And permits will not solve out of state registrations either. If visitor permits are allowed, then any resident can apply for one, not just those with cars. A resident with an out-of-state registration would just use a visitor pass. Duh. -
Of course it is a tax. It is being proposed to support the MTA.
http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/05/19/funding-the-mta-through-residential-parking-permits/
But street parking is still almost free. It is a bargain compared to private parking -
MeredithB wrote: [quote=LongTimeSloper]Umm, yes, it happens all the time, how else are there tickets on windshields after overnight parking is done? how do you think that commercial vehicles get towed or ticketed in the middle of the night when parked on residential streets? how do you think this happens if not by cops in patrol cars, etc? Do you have a car?
Most likely the cops give you Park Slopers tickets at night as they know you got mad cash, I doubt they are so diligent about parking regulations in Gravesend, but I could be wrong.
Commercial vehicles are pretty easy to spot as they have to have the name of the company of the door, not some minuscule sticker on a window or a fender.
Yes I have a car. And one thing I learned is that if I didn't like the parking situation where I lived I paid for a garage. After all, you do have mad cash in Park Slope.
Umm, no, not all of us have mad cash, no need to get that way. And, I really have no issue with the parking around ehre, yeah, there are times I have to drive around a while until I find a good spot, no biggie to me. Though, the parking permits will be nice. And, do you live in Gravesend? -
Subject: Re: Yes to permits but dump street cleaning!
pitu wrote: [quote=wally]Permit parking ONLY if they get rid of weekly street cleaning. Street cleaning is BS anyway.
Street cleaning is NOT BS -- things get ugly in terms of trash buildup when consecutive holidays keep the streets unswept for several weeks at a time.
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Last summer street cleaning was suspended for over a month (maybe 2?)and the streets of park slope were still exponentially cleaner at the end than the streets of my hood in bedstuy (which is swept twice a week.) Street cleaning is a pathetic (but legal)excuse for the city to make money on parking tickets. It could easily be done once a month with little detriment to most neighborhoods. -
Retag wrote: I have been ticketed at 12:34am in a no-parking 12am-?? zone in Brooklyn. Subway went down and I couldn't get home in time to move it.
the discussion of permits has to include other parking policy options as well. there is no silver bullet. In several areas of the city they are installing muni-meters and increasing parking meter costs to increase turnover in business districts. That should make it easier for people to find parking in business areas. At present it is very difficult to find a spot in park slope if you are shopping during the day. This idea probably wouldn't make it worse and has a chance of making it better.
Permits are a joke in Boston. If you want to go to a business in another area, you probably can't because you can't park. Park Slope businesses will (and should) hate permits.Retag wrote: Besides, permits are just another name for a tax. Everyone should be using the term Parking Tax instead.
So, what's wrong with taxes?
We could just as accurately call free on street parking a Parking Subsidy.Retag wrote: When you get home at 9pm and you can't find a parking spot, it's not because of commuter, it's because of your neighbor. How will permits solve this problem? They won't.
only to the extent that limiting parking during the day will result in some number of people deciding it is not worth it to have a car anymore.Retag wrote: And permits will not solve out of state registrations either. If visitor permits are allowed, then any resident can apply for one, not just those with cars. A resident with an out-of-state registration would just use a visitor pass. Duh.
how long are the visitor passes good for in Boston?
You know, any plan will have its flaws. Of course some people will figure out ways to game the rpp system, just like some people game this system. Neither compliance nor enforcement will be 100% with any new program. But we shouldn't let perfect be the enemy of good. -
LongTimeSloper wrote: yeah, there are times I have to drive around a while until I find a good spot, no biggie to me. Though, the parking permits will be nice. And, do you live in Gravesend?
Well, imagine paying to drive around a while and look for a spot? That's what the reality will be.
And no. -
MeredithB wrote:
Speaking as a car owner, I think is kinda weird that I get to park for free at all. Getting to store my personal property on public land is a perk for me.
Well, imagine paying to drive around a while and look for a spot? That's what the reality will be. -
Subject: Re: Yes to permits but dump street cleaning!
Carmen wrote: [quote=pitu][quote=wally]Permit parking ONLY if they get rid of weekly street cleaning. Street cleaning is BS anyway.
Street cleaning is NOT BS -- things get ugly in terms of trash buildup when consecutive holidays keep the streets unswept for several weeks at a time.
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Last summer street cleaning was suspended for over a month (maybe 2?)and the streets of park slope were still exponentially cleaner at the end than the streets of my hood in bedstuy (which is swept twice a week.) Street cleaning is a pathetic (but legal)excuse for the city to make money on parking tickets. It could easily be done once a month with little detriment to most neighborhoods.
Those sweeping trucks are a complete waste. They probably make more pollution (in terms of noise and emissions) than they remove in terms of litter. A crew of people with brooms would do a much better job. -
MeredithB wrote: [quote=LongTimeSloper] yeah, there are times I have to drive around a while until I find a good spot, no biggie to me. Though, the parking permits will be nice. And, do you live in Gravesend?
Well, imagine paying to drive around a while and look for a spot? That's what the reality will be.
And no.
Well, I am thinking that with a parking permit, I won't have to drive around as long. And, supposedly, the fees for the permits are going to be very minimal, correct? -
Subject: Re: Yes to permits but dump street cleaning!
Carmen wrote: [quote=pitu][quote=wally]Permit parking ONLY if they get rid of weekly street cleaning. Street cleaning is BS anyway.
Street cleaning is NOT BS -- things get ugly in terms of trash buildup when consecutive holidays keep the streets unswept for several weeks at a time.
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Last summer street cleaning was suspended for over a month (maybe 2?)and the streets of park slope were still exponentially cleaner at the end than the streets of my hood in bedstuy (which is swept twice a week.) Street cleaning is a pathetic (but legal)excuse for the city to make money on parking tickets. It could easily be done once a month with little detriment to most neighborhoods.
Interesting.
I wonder if it's the unique downhill shape of our neighborhood . . . the trash gets blown out by those behemoths to the middle of the street and blown downhill to the Gowanus . . . or somethin' . . . -
I did not see anyone mention business owners. Do all patrons of restaurants and shops in Park Slope live in the area? I think resident parking would hurt local businesses in a time when business is not very good to begin with...
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Well, obviously I didn't read the links to the stories or very many of these posts all that carefully... but as far as I could tell there was no specific mention of Park Slope... it just said Brooklyn, right?
I would think Park Slope would be one of the last places that permit parking would come to be. We all can agree the parking tickets are sources of revenue.. most of can agree that permit parking is merely a tax.
The reasons Park Slope would be the last place to institute permit parking is as follows:
- you all get a lot of parking tickets
- you all pay your parking tickets without a hassle. Collections is a cost to the city. Some areas of brooklyn only collect 50% of all tickets issued.
- We are becoming, or have become, a destination for shoppers and even weekenders. Permit parking would scare these deep pockets.
- the progressive members (that is, all of you) of Park Slope are a real pain in the ass and resistant to change. If I were a law makers I wouldn't dare stir this pot... -
LongTimeSloper wrote: Well, I am thinking that with a parking permit, I won't have to drive around as long. And, supposedly, the fees for the permits are going to be very minimal, correct?
The Brooklyn Paper wrote: Downtown Brooklyn Partnership revealed that at any given time, Fort Greene has 1,759 cars trolling for 1,089 spots, while Boerum Hill has 1,996 cars looking for 1,769 spots...prior proposals have said that residents might be charged between $75- and $125-a-year for the placard.
So you will still have to drive around and that may be minimal to you but to some even $10 a month can be a lot.
Obviously this will be for mostly downtown Brooklyn (Fort Greene, Park Slope, Carroll Gardens etc.). Why there would be the need for this in Gravesend or Dyker Heights is beyond me and seems as just another tax on car owners. -
I'm not 100% opposed to permit parking but I don't think it will make any kind of difference in terms of finding a spot. Half of these jackasses can't drive, let alone park properly.
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I think there should be a tax on the size of your vehicle and possible an outright ban on SUV's within the city limits.
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Hell, it's not even so much the size of someone's car, but their utter inability to NOT take up more than their fair share of the street.
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Anastasia Beaverhausen wrote: Hell, it's not even so much the size of someone's car, but their utter inability to NOT take up more than their fair share of the street.
Car owners have such an amazing seance of entitlement. Why do we get such a "share of the street".
That is why this is a tax, a tax that is earmarked for the MTA. So that non-car owners get their "fare share"
It might or might not make parking easier, but it will cost money and that is the point. -
ringrunner wrote: Car owners have such an amazing seance of entitlement. Why do we get such a "share of the street".
Because the streets were built first for the horse and buggy then for the car. -
I'm entitled because I think drivers should know how to park properly? Um...yeah.
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Anastasia Beaverhausen wrote: I'm entitled because I think drivers should know how to park properly? Um...yeah.
I did not mean to imply that you have any sense of entitlement. You are correct, people should know how to park. -
MeredithB wrote: [quote=ringrunner]Car owners have such an amazing seance of entitlement. Why do we get such a "share of the street".
Because the streets were built first for the horse and buggy then for the car.
People had barns for their horses. They did not leave them tied up in front of their house. -
Um...they kinda did...
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Anastasia Beaverhausen wrote: Hell, it's not even so much the size of someone's car, but their utter inability to NOT take up more than their fair share of the street.
I used to have a sign I would put on people's windshields that read, "Next time try and take up three spaces." -
Yea, back in the day there were plenty of spots.
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ringrunner wrote: Yea, back in the day there were plenty of spots.
Back in the day a car was a luxury item, now any crazy dude with a females name on Brooklynian can own one. -
vidro3 wrote: http://www.brooklynpubliclibrary.org/slideshows/park_slope/lg_img/NEIG1711.jpg
They must have been filming a movie and waiting for the trucks to arrive.
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