I was a racial profiler: Ex-cop says he used skin color to m
I was a racial profiler: Ex-cop says he used skin color to make arrests
By Jake Mcnicholas
Sunday, August 2nd 2009, 4:00 AM
Darren Gygi
I'm retired now after a wonderful career with the New York City Police Department, and I have a confession to make.
I used a person's race to initiate investigations and make subsequent arrests. In fact, according to the definition bandied about by those on the left who have no idea what they are talking about nor a clue when it comes to police work, I was - yes - a racial profiler.
A little background. I was a detective, a third generation member of the greatest police department in the world, descendant of my grandfather who sailed from the west of Ireland and then served as a cop for 35 years. My dad, the man I most admire, is a retired first grade detective who put in 33.
In November 1992 I was transferred to Manhattan North Narcotics. We covered the precincts north of 59th St. but rarely did enforcement south of 96th St.
I never had a better time in my life than my early years in Manhattan North. I worked with the greatest guys in the world and had more laughs than you could imagine. I went to war with these guys and gals, white, black, Hispanic.
Put it this way. When you were up there during this time, you didn't want to take off or go on vacation and miss something. There was nothing worse than coming back to work and have some guy say, "Wow, you should have been here yesterday."
I spent a lot of time in Washington Heights during those years, working narcotics in the confines of the 30th Precinct. It was a busy place with loads of illegal drug activity - dealing on the street and in residential buildings outfitted and barricaded as drug spots. We made arrests, thousands of arrests, and here is one of the ways the white cops and Hispanic cops and black cops did it.
We looked for white people.
That's all you really had to do. Cruise Broadway or Amsterdam Ave. or Riverside Drive in an unmarked car, spot the white guy driving the vehicle with the Jersey plate slow and deliberate, watch him park and shuffle to the sale location, watch him walk back to the vehicle with the pep in his step shortly thereafter and bingo. Most times you had a collar.
That's what you were paying us for, wasn't it? The good people of Washington Heights have a right to live in a neighborhood free of cretins driving over the George Washington Bridge to Manhattan for the sole purpose of buying drugs, don't they?
Is that not good police work? Of course it is.
So please, ponder this for a moment. Who do you think is terrorizing the black community? Who do you think is raping and assaulting young black women? Who do you think is pulling out the nine and shooting young male blacks on the corner over a bag of Cheez Doodles and a Philly blunt?
Pause and ask yourself why do you think more blacks and Hispanics are stopped? Because, you guessed it, they are the ones committing the crimes and fitting the description. The Police Department is not making this up. This is the horrible truth. The carnage is appalling, and rather than address the real issue, liberals and civil rights leaders make excuses and ignore the facts.
Now the left is all worked up over a cop responding to a 911 call of a burglary in progress and the resulting collar. Henry Louis Gates Jr. is a Harvard professor. How about this novel approach, "Certainly, here's my ID and thanks for the quick response Sergeant."?
But here is the most profoundly sad part about it all. Even after Thursday's "beer summit," this will be an issue for months, a ridiculous issue. And all the while the body count from black-on-black crime will continue to rise.
McNicholas served with the NYPD from 1985 to 2007, retiring as a first grade detective from the terrorist interdiction unit of the Intelligence Division.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2009/08/02/2009-08-02_i_was_a_racial_profiler.html#ixzz0N4uRJSKs
By Jake Mcnicholas
Sunday, August 2nd 2009, 4:00 AM
Darren Gygi
I'm retired now after a wonderful career with the New York City Police Department, and I have a confession to make.
I used a person's race to initiate investigations and make subsequent arrests. In fact, according to the definition bandied about by those on the left who have no idea what they are talking about nor a clue when it comes to police work, I was - yes - a racial profiler.
A little background. I was a detective, a third generation member of the greatest police department in the world, descendant of my grandfather who sailed from the west of Ireland and then served as a cop for 35 years. My dad, the man I most admire, is a retired first grade detective who put in 33.
In November 1992 I was transferred to Manhattan North Narcotics. We covered the precincts north of 59th St. but rarely did enforcement south of 96th St.
I never had a better time in my life than my early years in Manhattan North. I worked with the greatest guys in the world and had more laughs than you could imagine. I went to war with these guys and gals, white, black, Hispanic.
Put it this way. When you were up there during this time, you didn't want to take off or go on vacation and miss something. There was nothing worse than coming back to work and have some guy say, "Wow, you should have been here yesterday."
I spent a lot of time in Washington Heights during those years, working narcotics in the confines of the 30th Precinct. It was a busy place with loads of illegal drug activity - dealing on the street and in residential buildings outfitted and barricaded as drug spots. We made arrests, thousands of arrests, and here is one of the ways the white cops and Hispanic cops and black cops did it.
We looked for white people.
That's all you really had to do. Cruise Broadway or Amsterdam Ave. or Riverside Drive in an unmarked car, spot the white guy driving the vehicle with the Jersey plate slow and deliberate, watch him park and shuffle to the sale location, watch him walk back to the vehicle with the pep in his step shortly thereafter and bingo. Most times you had a collar.
That's what you were paying us for, wasn't it? The good people of Washington Heights have a right to live in a neighborhood free of cretins driving over the George Washington Bridge to Manhattan for the sole purpose of buying drugs, don't they?
Is that not good police work? Of course it is.
So please, ponder this for a moment. Who do you think is terrorizing the black community? Who do you think is raping and assaulting young black women? Who do you think is pulling out the nine and shooting young male blacks on the corner over a bag of Cheez Doodles and a Philly blunt?
Pause and ask yourself why do you think more blacks and Hispanics are stopped? Because, you guessed it, they are the ones committing the crimes and fitting the description. The Police Department is not making this up. This is the horrible truth. The carnage is appalling, and rather than address the real issue, liberals and civil rights leaders make excuses and ignore the facts.
Now the left is all worked up over a cop responding to a 911 call of a burglary in progress and the resulting collar. Henry Louis Gates Jr. is a Harvard professor. How about this novel approach, "Certainly, here's my ID and thanks for the quick response Sergeant."?
But here is the most profoundly sad part about it all. Even after Thursday's "beer summit," this will be an issue for months, a ridiculous issue. And all the while the body count from black-on-black crime will continue to rise.
McNicholas served with the NYPD from 1985 to 2007, retiring as a first grade detective from the terrorist interdiction unit of the Intelligence Division.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2009/08/02/2009-08-02_i_was_a_racial_profiler.html#ixzz0N4uRJSKs
Comments
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Even with his so called "racial profiling" description, the writer STILL shows that he is a total fucktard.
The whole definition of racial profiling is stopping someone based SOLELY on their race.
Would he stop just any white person driving through Washington Heights?
Would he stop a black man in a business suit at 7:55 am running out of a bodega towards the subway?
Its context folks.
What happened to many black men who have been profiled is an example of white racists trying to cover up their racism by OVERLOOKING EVERYTHING ELSE in favor of one single criterion: Blackness.
This is what happened to amadou diallo and Abner Louima and so many other black men, picked up because they were black.
So why don't we just start profiling single white men over 35 who live alone or with their mothers as potential pedophiles or serial killers?
why don't we just stop and frisk them when we see them sitting in parks?
No we are much more careful with white men, and make sure we look for the nuances before we even begin to question their presence in parks where children play, or at gun shows.
That writer is a TOTAL asshat idiot. I am so glad his incompetent ass is a retired police, rather than someone still serving and making people's lives miserable. I DOUBT he could have been successful at his job by stopping people based solely on their race.
So me as a 200+ pound black woman with clear skin and no apparent neurological problems/tics, should be stopped and checked for drugs because I share the same race as all the 95 pound, shaking, track-mark ridden black women that troll Harlem.
Yeah,
this is how some of these white cops cover their racist asses, with stupid ill thought out anecdotes.
WHILE WE ARE AT IT:
Bernie Madoff steals ~81 billion from charities/people/business Vs. the small time black crack dealer
Enron Executives defraud THOUSANDS of people out of their pensions vs. the black mugger
Michael Milikin (SP) defrauds THOUSANDS of people out of their pensions with junk bonds vs the black shooter
Champion mortgages anyone?
Predatory lending?
Why aren't we profiling White men in business suits working in finance/banking/business as people who MUG more people of their valuables: (houses, retirement funds, savings and assets etc) through FRAUD than the petty black street mugger?
Nope it's not a two way street apparently. Only black men are the ones committing all those horrible crimes that affect so many people.
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lol racism, it's ok, if you're a cop.
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also: what does the gates case have to do with police profiling?
this is a case of a cop arresting a man who had not broken any laws in his own home.
as for the writer above's suggestion for what gates could have said, how about if the cop had said, "sorry for the confusion, sir. welcome home. i'll show myself out" ? -
If a cop arrests someone, we're not happy. If a cop doesn't arrest someone, we're not happy. We're expecting schleps who make 32K a year to throw themselves in front of a bullet, bandit, robber, rapist for you, yet we're the first to vilify them for a casual remark or notion. I'm not condoning the Gates case. I wasn't there. I have no idea who said what to whom. And neither do any of you. Every single day there's a police officer who does something right. Who does his job. Not one of us has ever said "Thanks for that!" The moment, the very second, one of these guys has a human moment and makes an error in judgment or speech, he's racist, homophobic or any other adjective that we can think of.
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A police sergeant in boston will be making more like 70k, then add overtime and the much better than average benefits.
I don't know if Crowley is racist, or an asshole in general, or just having a shitty day, but it was a dick move and as far as I know he hasn't apologized for it or admitted it was a mistake. -
Mougar wrote: A police sergeant in boston will be making more like 70k, then add overtime and the much better than average benefits.
The quoted material was written by an NYPD officer, not a Boston cop. Yes, I know for a fact that Boston officers make infinitely more money. Also, Cambridge has their own police force.
I don't know if Crowley is racist, or an asshole in general, or just having a shitty day, but it was a dick move and as far as I know he hasn't apologized for it or admitted it was a mistake. -
You brought up the Gates case, and that article was clearly in response to the Gates case, but I should have said boston area.
Cops have far more power than the average citizen and therefore need to be held to a higher standard, not a lower one. -
And? You didn't make a point except to say that "Boston cops" make more money. It's true. They do. And what power, exactly, do cops have? Every move they make is scrutinized to such a degree it's a wonder we have a police force at all.
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As a Detective who worked Washington Heights for years, the writer of the article (Darren Gygi) might have been close co-workers of fellow Detectives Thomas Rachko and Julio Vasquez.
http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/people/v/julio_c_vasquez/index.html -
NYPD Cops doesn't seem to do that badly, but maybe their recruiting website is misleading about the salary/benefits: www.nypdrecruit.com/NYPD_BenefitsOverview.aspx
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Anastasia Beaverhausen wrote: And what power, exactly, do cops have?
The power to arrest is a pretty obvious one, but you're not actually serious are you? -
Mougar wrote: NYPD Cops doesn't seem to do that badly, but maybe their recruiting website is misleading about the salary/benefits: www.nypdrecruit.com/NYPD_BenefitsOverview.aspx
Would you take 43K to get shot at, Moug? -
Anastasia Beaverhausen wrote: [quote=Mougar]NYPD Cops doesn't seem to do that badly, but maybe their recruiting website is misleading about the salary/benefits: www.nypdrecruit.com/NYPD_BenefitsOverview.aspx
Would you take 43K to get shot at, Moug?
+1.
If we want better cops we need to hire better people...and hiring better people means a more attractive offer. I wouldn't even do what I do now for 43k, nevermind the possibility of death, the long hours, the verbal harassment... -
Mougar wrote: [quote=Anastasia Beaverhausen]And what power, exactly, do cops have?
The power to arrest is a pretty obvious one, but you're not actually serious are you?
Now you're just being obtuse. The power to arrest has to be qualified with a charge. If it's not several hundred celebrities, activists and political officials will be down on that officer's ass. What am I saying? Even if the charge is legit, they're down on his ass. -
it's not that bad. This pair of detectives made 733k each!
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/15/nyregion/guilty-plea-by-a-detective-who-stole-and-sold-drugs.html. -
Nice signature line. I'm sure a mod suggested it.
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teachers have hard jobs, yet they're not supposed to haul off and hit their students. doctors have hard jobs, yet we still have malpractice suits. don't even get me started on what nurses put up with.
plenty of cops do great work, don't abuse their (pretty obvious) power, etc. it's a shame that police forces, unions, etc., besmirch the good names of those cops by defending bad ones in ways that suggest it's by definition impossible for a cop to ever do something wrong. (i mean this generally, not just in the gates case.) -
sweet tea wrote: teachers have hard jobs, yet they're not supposed to haul off and hit their students. doctors have hard jobs, yet we still have malpractice suits. don't even get me started on what nurses put up with.
agreed. Carmen had a valid point, you want the best, pony up for it the way law firms, investment banks, etc. do (yeah yeah yeah).
plenty of cops do great work, don't abuse their (pretty obvious) power, etc. it's a shame that police forces, unions, etc., besmirch the good names of those cops by defending bad ones in ways that suggest it's by definition impossible for a cop to ever do something wrong. (i mean this generally, not just in the gates case.) -
....the trick is getting rid of the bad apples.
But income seems to be unrelated to whether one is bad.
lots of scandals involving rich people.... -
Anastasia Beaverhausen wrote: Now you're just being obtuse. The power to arrest has to be qualified with a charge.
Disorderly conduct is the catch all charge police use when the person hasn't committed an actual crime. If you know a journalist, are a high-profile person, have lots of money, etc ... then you can raise a big stink when there's police misconduct. Most people aren't in that position.
Yes, more money attracts better candidates for any job. -
Mougar wrote:
I'll wait with bated breath for your doctoral dissertation on that statistic.
Disorderly conduct is the catch all charge police use when the person hasn't committed an actual crime. -
sweet tea wrote: also: what does the gates case have to do with police profiling?
Sweet Tea, I completely agree with your sentiments. Profiling is a way racists try and justify their racism, by saying black men do all the terorizing so lets just look for black suspects.
this is a case of a cop arresting a man who had not broken any laws in his own home.
as for the writer above's suggestion for what gates could have said, how about if the cop had said, "sorry for the confusion, sir. welcome home. i'll show myself out" ?
As for Gates, I wonder what went on in his house. He seems sort of pretentious to me. As someone who works in academia, I have SEEN my fair share of black professors who bitch racism at any little thing, but are the first people to treat everyone else with high handed disrespect.
Disorderly conduct WITHIN ONE's OWN HOME, is suspect, and does add credence to Dr. Gates' cries of racism. -
sweet tea wrote: teachers have hard jobs, yet they're not supposed to haul off and hit their students. doctors have hard jobs, yet we still have malpractice suits. don't even get me started on what nurses put up with.
I totally agree again Sweet Tea. My brother is a special ed teacher for the NYC board of ed. He gets so much physical and verbal abuse for his paltry 45K salary. My brother has to take all sorts of abuse without striking back, even when he is PHYSICALLY threatened, by students ie: 17 year old HUGE special ed students telling my brother "I will meet you outside later" while brandishing belts or slapping their fists together.
plenty of cops do great work, don't abuse their (pretty obvious) power, etc. it's a shame that police forces, unions, etc., besmirch the good names of those cops by defending bad ones in ways that suggest it's by definition impossible for a cop to ever do something wrong. (i mean this generally, not just in the gates case.)
I am a mental health worker. I work in inpatient. I get spit on, hit, assaulted, told the meanest things ever, by CRAZY MOFO's who come in off the street high on drugs or off their anti-psychotics for months. I can't hit back either. Believe me, I don't make the big bucks either, or I would NOT be living in Sunset Park ( nothing wrong with SP). I would be living walking distance from my job in a high rise with a terrace so that I can finally grow some roses.
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gone are days of 5 point restraints on the mental health unit...
I hear you psycho-ologist.
but back to the topic at hand, at what point (if any) is it ok to sacifice fairness for efficiency?
...clearly, simple correlation doesn't satisfy the masses. -
The Psycho-ologist wrote:
yes, as i said elsewhere, i bet gates is a pretty irritating guy to get on the wrong side of. i'd even be unsurprised to hear that he can be a real asshole, but last i heard, that's not actually illegal*.
As for Gates, I wonder what went on in his house. He seems sort of pretentious to me. As someone who works in academia, I have SEEN my fair share of black professors who bitch racism at any little thing, but are the first people to treat everyone else with high handed disrespect.
that's what's so galling about the editorial quoted above: probably gates could have appeased the cop by behaving differently, but the suggestion that failure to act that way somehow justifies arrest is another thing altogether.
*when "being an asshole" does become an arrestable offense, somebody send me a police academy application. i bet the beave will sign up with me. -
Only Racist Drink Blue Moon...

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2009/07/biden_joins_obama_gates_crowle.html -
Look, I don't know if Crowley is a racist or Gates is an a-hole. I do know - and have posted this before - that I have seen (white) people be arrested by (white) cops for being (allegedly) mouthy to a cop. It's not something I would recommend and I think - from a practical standpoint - you're asking to be arrested if you do get mouthy.
I also think that if Gates was white and if he was acting like an a-hole, Crowley still would have arrested him. I've been reading up and it seems that this is police procedure when a crowd gathers and someone is out of control (if Gates, indeed, was). If no crowd was gathering but Gates was mouthy, then Crowley probably isn't a racist but may just have thin skin.
And I agree with Beav - it seems that cops are always wrong. I know people who HATE cops even though they've never had a problem when interacting with cops. There are good and bad cops just like with any other profession and they shouldn't all be painted with a broad brush. -
I believe that Gates is thrilled this happened to him. I wouldn't be surprised if he quickly sized up the situation and deliberately acted defiant with the hope that he'd be arrested so he could use to to further his fame. Prior to this incident he was known to a specific demographic of liberals, but now he's practically a household name. He's in the papers, on TV, getting his picture taken with Obama, etc. Within a year, he'll have written a book, made the rounds of the talk shows ad nauseam, been paid to lecture at colleges, probably been given a better offer by another university, etc. Really, it's the best thing that could have happened to his career.
And I'm confident the cop will rake in, too. He'll write a book, appear on Limbaugh and O'Riley, probably take early retirement for a lucrative consulting gig. All that and a city pension.
All in all, it's a boon for both. -
The Psycho-ologist wrote:
Yeah, tell that to the white Duke LaCrosse players who had their lives ruined by everybody including the media, their school even a DA who lied. Rich white kids just have to be guilty.
No we are much more careful with white men, and make sure we look for the nuances before we even begin to question their presence in parks where children play, or at gun shows.
I guess you also forgot the DC Sniper team of Muhammed and Malvo who were let go numerous times because everyone believed they were looking for a white van with white people. -
The Psycho-ologist wrote:
Disorderly conduct WITHIN ONE's OWN HOME, is suspect, and does add credence to Dr. Gates' cries of racism.
FYI - They arrested him OUTSIDE his house (not inside) on the porch. That matters from a legal perspective. If I'm not mistaken, you can't be arrested for disorderly conduct inside your home.
Per my previous post, I think they would have arrested him no matter what color he was, because he was (allegedlly) mouthy. Does anyone really think that Crowley would have arrested Gates if Gates just said, "Here's my ID. Thank you officer, for checking to make sure my house wasn't being robbed." Come on....
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