Offleash Dog Rules

Q, I'm not sure what to say. :? :?

quijibo wrote: [quote=steve]I've known some nice pit bulls, but nearly all of the serious dog fights I have seen involved pit bulls. I think due to irresponsible breeding and bad early environments sometimes including trained aggression, many pits are more unstable than average. I tend to be a lot more cautious around them, particularly if the owner seems foolish.

steve i'm surprised at you :shock:

you mean to say that if your Kinka had been raised by a 12 year old in the projects
whose training methods included constant beatings and emotional abuse
that Kinka wouldn't develop into an emotionally unstable adult dog?

come on...
you should take pride in having raised your girl to be emotionally and physically healthy and happy :arrow:

"In that slightly better world, dog owners would be more in touch with their dog and their dog's temperament - not oblivious or in denial"

This goes for parents as well. Not everybody thinks little Amber is as cute as you do when she's misbehaving.

<---puts on flame-retardant suit.

I like kids and dogs. Most of the time. Especially when they're well-behaved.

Again, I have to say.......just because YOU know that your dog is nice/sweet/trained, etc. doesn't mean that there's something psychologically wrong with somebody who is afraid of your dog without knowing it.

Subject: Re: The courtesy offleash hours have ruined Prospect Park!!!

rockhound wrote:

Has it ever occurred to you that your dogs are happy just to go out? To spend time with you? The "freedom" of "off leash hours" are a human concept, that is irrelevant to the dog mind.

Yes, they are happy just to go out. They are happy to walk around the block on a leash. They are ecstatically happy to go to the park and run around off-leash. I am not imagining or projecting this. I would be perfectly happy to never take them to off-leash hours again; I find it kind of annoying, honestly. If your dog is content to walk on a leash, that's great, you're lucky, but you shouldn't assume that all dogs are like your dog.

Subject: breed suggestions

If only all dog owners were as thoughtful and as good of a parent as TrixieNY. I'm more often fearful of dogs - especially dogs gone wild, but wouldn't actually mind getting a little pup so that I could raise a new generation of polite dogs. Is that possible?! I've seen people love their dogs and vice versa and it's rather sweet. I'd like something really furry and that would remain small - but not one that looks like a hairless rodent on a leash. Suggestions anyone? I saw a dog once I thought the owner said was an Italian Bolognese? I could name him Mussolini!

Subject: Re: breed suggestions

GiGi wrote: If only all dog owners were as thoughtful and as good of a parent as TrixieNY. I'm more often fearful of dogs - especially dogs gone wild, but wouldn't actually mind getting a little pup so that I could raise a new generation of polite dogs. Is that possible?! I've seen people love their dogs and vice versa and it's rather sweet. I'd like something really furry and that would remain small - but not one that looks like a hairless rodent on a leash. Suggestions anyone? I saw a dog once I thought the owner said was an Italian Bolognese? I could name him Mussolini!

Please, don't get a dog. From the way you describe yourself--afraid of most dogs--you will only end up raising a dog that is fearful of other dogs and therefore more likely to attack. Dogs pick up on your reactions to situations and if they see you afraid of another dog while you're walking them, leash or not, they may attack the other dog. I've had many a "polite" owner's dog cause a skirmish with my pups in that situation. Really evaluate whether or not YOU love dogs. Forget other people, they won't be raising them.

*I'm not trying to be stern--I just don't want you to put yourself in a regrettable situation.

Subject: Misinformation

Ben is a perfect example of how some individuals disseminate misinformation to justify their misguided ideas.

I am the creator and only editor of

http://brooklynparks.blogspot.com

The Juniper Park Civic Association has nothing to do with it. I live in Brooklyn and have never even met any of the members of the JPCA. I created the blog because the unleashed dog problem in Prospect Park is even worse than that of Juniper Park. I've kept my name off of the blog because of past, unpleasant experiences with some dog owners in Prospect Park. Even if the blog was maintained by JPCA, would that make the articles and professional links any less true?

Livetotravel wrote:
You are actually devoting your energies to depriving me and my dogs of the basic, core right to run free.

What? Are you f**king kidding me?

Come over to the Long Meadow on Saturday at 8:00 AM and see for yourself what freedom looks like.

Stay out of my civil rights.

Have you informed the ACLU of this possible threat to your "civil rights"? I'd really like to see a "civil rights" case brought against the leash law enforcers.

Does your unleashed dog have "civil rights" too? HA HA HA!

Saturday in Prospect Park at 8:00 am looks like Hell , sir, with dogs ruling over humans, humans treating dogs like children, and HUNDREDS of loose dogs pooing and peeing all over one of Brooklyn's lovelliest open green spaces.

That's not freedom, that's insanity. You want freedom, move to the suburbs, buy a yard to exercise your private property...er, fur children. Or if you can't do that, you'll just have to be an adult and accept the fact that Life Ain't Fair, and walk your dog on a leash. There are worse calamities to contemplate (you just rattled off some of them).

Subject: Re: Misinformation

ParkAdvocate wrote: Ben is a perfect example of how some individuals disseminate misinformation to justify their misguided ideas.

I am the creator and only editor of

http://brooklynparks.blogspot.com

The Juniper Park Civic Association has nothing to do with it. I live in Brooklyn and have never even met any of the members of the JPCA. I created the blog because the unleashed dog problem in Prospect Park is even worse than that of Juniper Park. I've kept my name off of the blog because of past, unpleasant experiences with some dog owners in Prospect Park. Even if the blog was maintained by JPCA, would that make the articles and professional links any less true?

I apologize, I see now that the prominent display of the link to sign the petition sponsored by JPCA lead me to believe the blog was sponsored by them.

However, I still feel that your approach is deceptive. Without stating any position on the issue you post a link to a blog called "Brooklyn Parks" saying there is lots of good information and useful links and nothing more.

If you're against off-leash, fine, debate your points here, that's what this is for. Don't try to steer people to a blog that on it's surface looks to be about parks when in fact you have a very clear agenda regarding the leash rules.

I don't have a stake in this - I don't currently own a dog but they don't bother me - but I'd like to suggest that "If you don't like it, move" has probably never added anything to any debate or discussion, and I've seen it brought up in quite a few.

Bottom line is that there isn't anything wrong with using legal means to change things right where you are, and there isn't anything wrong with people using legal means to try to stop you. The "right" side ain't always gonna win, but that's the way it goes - if you don't like it, move.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

rockhound wrote: [quote=Livetotravel]
You are actually devoting your energies to depriving me and my dogs of the basic, core right to run free.

What? Are you f**king kidding me?

Come over to the Long Meadow on Saturday at 8:00 AM and see for yourself what freedom looks like.

Stay out of my civil rights.

Have you informed the ACLU of this possible threat to your "civil rights"? I'd really like to see a "civil rights" case brought against the leash law enforcers.

Does your unleashed dog have "civil rights" too? HA HA HA!

Saturday in Prospect Park at 8:00 am looks like Hell , sir, with dogs ruling over humans, humans treating dogs like children, and HUNDREDS of loose dogs pooing and peeing all over one of Brooklyn's lovelliest open green spaces.

That's not freedom, that's insanity. You want freedom, move to the suburbs, buy a yard to exercise your private property...er, fur children. Or if you can't do that, you'll just have to be an adult and accept the fact that Life Ain't Fair, and walk your dog on a leash. There are worse calamities to contemplate (you just rattled off some of them).

I'm feeling pretty Zen-like today so have decided to practice netiquette and treat you like a thinking human being. So I'll not respond to you, except to express absolute dismay over your equating suburbs with freedom- weird that - must be something in your past to conjur up that image.

My 2 stealthy Pekinese by the way are in the midst of a merger with several Pugs and Tibetan Terriers to control the illicit doggie sex trade that is currently thriving in the Vale Of Plush Toys.

Generously support FIDO http://www.fidobrooklyn.com/

and spirtually support NYCDOG and their amicus brief defending our rights agianst the forces of evil.

http://www.fidobrooklyn.com/lawsuit/pdfs/NYCdog_amicus_curiae_final.pdf

Livetotravel wrote: So I'll not respond to you, except to express absolute dismay over your equating suburbs with freedom- weird that - must be something in your past to conjur up that image.

The suburbs are hell.

I would love a big fenced-in dog run in Prospect Park. It needs to be big enough for my big dogs to run full-out and play fetch. The only dog run I know of in Park Slope is the one in the park on 5th Ave and it is very small.

Ben wrote: You know, I think it's also a huge quality of life issue that people are allowed to play baseball in the park. They take over the fields, denying me the enjoyment of that space and they won't even let me join in the game. Why do they get to use if for themselves?

Furthermore, I think it is a major health hazzard to have baseball played in the park. When walking down the path by these fields I could be hit in the head by a foul ball. I mean, you have kids who are still developing their coordination hurling rock hard balls and trying to hit them with metal bats. This is very dangerous and should be stopped immediately.

Yeah, what you said! And what about those out-of-contol volley ball players and cricketers who trample and kill the grass - and create all those bald spots that are a hazard to my little doggies when they are running free.

Drano wrote: [quote=Ben]If you want to get into quality of life issues in the park, one of the biggest is the complete trashing of all picnic/BBQ areas every weekend. Talk about people not cleaning up after themselves, there is a huge amount of litter including meat scraps, bones, etc. that attract rats, that is left over huge swaths of the park. To me this is a much larger quality of life issue than having dogs off their leashes before 9am.

Totally agree. It's f'in disgusting.

Really disgusting. Honestly, the park would suit me better if there were no barbecues, no cyclists, no skateboarding teens, and no horses. Oh, and no cars. And no toddlers outside the playgrounds. Why can't I have the park exactly the way I want it?