Protesters on Wall Street. Capitalism quakes in fear?
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if these kids really want to do something about the wallstreet guys, bury them economically from either killing them in their own game or other economic means, or just killing them outright.
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Unless one surprises us by pulling out a pistol and shooting the first dude he sees in a 3 piece suit, these "kids" don't have the guts or the means to do either of your options.Because they are obviously so weak, it perplexes me that they think they should be listened to.
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“The greatest happiness is to scatter your enemy, to drive him before you, to see his cities reduced to ashes, to see those who love him shrouded in tears, and to gather into your bosom his wives and daughters.”
Quote to live by. but mine is much milder
. just drive by with some new bling or something to piss them off that they don't have and wish to have. -
armchair_warrior said:
public demonstrations does nothing, but make a good/suckie spectacle.Most of the Middle East disagrees with you.
As does the entire Civil Rights movement.
Your statement that, "public demonstrations does nothing" is completely false.
whynot_31 said:
Because they are obviously so weak, it perplexes me that they think they should be listened to.They're demonstrating their beliefs.
Something most of this country is too lazy to do, about anything.
If more people were like them, we'd live in a much better society.
It perplexes me that you find this so ripe for mockery.
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Protest just show the number of dissatisfied people, but the violence show the governments in the middle east, that many people were dissatisfied and is violent. Same goes for the civil rights movement. people show up for the demonstrations and the race riots show that people were ready to exploded.
without the violence, the government wouldn't of bother. Cities had to be burn to show hey there is a huge number of people ready to be violent. People are too naive and nostalgic to realize how much violence was involved to change peoples minds.
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better examples would of been berlin wall and others LOL for peaceful changes.
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Exactly. "Nonviolence works excepts when it doesn't."BG-
I have explained my reasons for mocking them.I believe the reasons that there are not more people protesting with them has nothing to do with laziness.
....your dismissal of the 99% of the city that is not there as being "too lazy to express their views on anything" is one of the reasons the left will continue to be ignored.
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armchair_warrior said:
Protest just show the number of dissatisfied people, but the violence show the governments in the middle east, that many people were dissatisfied and is violent. Same goes for the civil rights movement. people show up for the demonstrations and the race riots show that people were ready to exploded.without the violence, the government wouldn't of bother. Cities had to be burn to show hey there is a huge number of people ready to be violent. People are too naive and nostalgic to realize how much violence was involved to change peoples minds.
There were many, many successful peaceful demonstrations during the Civil Rights era.
Your statement is still inaccurate.
whynot_31 said:
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Exactly. "Nonviolence works excepts when it doesn't."BG-
I have explained my reasons for mocking them.I believe the reasons that there are not more people protesting with them has nothing to do with laziness.
....your dismissal of the 99% of the city that is not there as being too lazy to express their views is one of the reasons the left will continue to be ignored.
Your analysis of "the Left" is always amusing with it's flawed Beltway wisdom, especially when you project ME as an example.
I said 99% of the NATION.
When is the last time there were major public demonstrations over something?
Our banking industry almost literally destroyed our country and few people even care.
We are one of the more apathetic nations on earth.
Your mindset is central to our laziness.
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I should start my own protest to protest those kids, how they are doing it all wrong!!
I should go tell them hey why don't you go get some balls and start killing 3 piece suits? lol But luckily for them I'm too lazy
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The left never tires of demonizing the majority of the world that does not see things through their tired, simplistic paradigms of capitalism, oppression, hegemony, yada, yada, yada
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you call them successful, i call them failures. only real change came about after the violence started.
rarely has governments change their minds in history of man. mostly it was through violent revolution of some sorts.
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armchair_warrior said:
you call them successful, i call them failures. only real change came about after the violence started.rarely has governments change their minds in history of man. mostly it was through violent revolution of some sorts.
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Sometimes there were implicit threats of violence as a result of hundreds of thousands of protesters showing up. The governments/industries (banksters?) were "proactive" in saving their own butts by realizing that they were going to keep showing up, and eventually they would not be peaceful....but both you and BG are correct in stating that the government/industries currently have no need to be proactive in this instance.
After a while, the protesters will simply go home. If they are lucky, many of them will eventually work in cubicles.
Even those who sympathize with them are free to laugh at their naivete.
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whynot_31 said:
The left never tires of demonizing the majority of the world that does not see things through their tired, simplistic paradigms of capitalism, oppression, hegemony, yada, yada, yadaCentrists who think everyone is extremist and irrational except them never tire of Beltway wisdom and trite labels.
This country is apathetic when it comes to demonstrations and public opinion.
Feel free to actually argue the point, not just throw around your tired labels or respond in generalities that allow you to change the topic.
It's a tactic you resort to often.
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I don't view them as extremists or irrational. In fact, I think their views are accurate, but that they fail to offer a feasible plan that is better.
I also question their tactics.
What is the latest beltway jargon I should rail against as being part of maintaining the present "hegemony"? I can never keep up.
What point should we be arguing?
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One thing I learn from many years on this plane, Those protesters are most likely the of children of the well off. They can afford to not to work and do stupid !@#$% and live in a ideal world cause their parents pay for it.
living in a nice idyllic world cost money.
when they get tired of the life style they'll join mommy or daddy in the world to exploit people.
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Much of the civil rights movement (and similar movements) got lots of support from people who were well off. They were the ones who could effectively file lawsuits and navigate the systems that were oppressing people. The oppressed can't be expected to do it themselves; they are too, -um- oppressed. -
whynot_31 said:
What is the latest beltway jargon I should rail against as being part of maintaining the present "hegemony"? I can never keep up.
Oh it comes naturally to you, no further effort necessary.
You generally rail against "the Left" or "the Right" (less often), indulge in false equivalencies and the like.
You're like our very own David Brooks or Thomas Friedman.
What point should we be arguing?
This country is apathetic about demonstrations.
I assume you disagree, but instead of giving an opinion, you offered yet another, "I'll tell you what the Left's problem is..." generality and non sequitur.
armchair_warrior said:
One thing I learn from many years on this plane, Those protesters are most likely the of children of the well off. They can afford to not to work and do stupid !@#$% and live in a ideal world cause their parents pay for it.I have a feeling you're making lots of assumptions based on little personal experience.
Do you know how high unemployment rates are for graduates right now?
Do you know which groups are protesting?
Do you know what their philosophies and tactics are, besides this one single instance?
My guess is the answer to all of these questions is NO.
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whynot wrote: What point should we be arguing?
BG wrote: This country is apathetic about demonstrations.
I assume you disagree, but instead of giving an opinion, you offered yet another, "I'll tell you what the Left's problem is..." generality and non sequitur.
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You are not correct in your assumption again.I think the general populace genuinely believes that large, well-thought out and conceived demonstrations are effective means of bringing about real social change.
Should the left or the right convince the general populace that they have met these criteria, citizens will show up.
...see you then?
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armchair_warrior said:
It's hard when people make you defend your assumptions.
Best to just ignore the questions and not let anything penetrate your beliefs.
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BG-
I am still waiting to hear if you will join me at a demonstration that meets the criteria I outline..... -
whynot_31 said:
BG-
You are not correct in your assumption again.I think the general populace genuinely believes that large, well-thought out and conceived demonstrations are effective means of bringing about real social change.
I think people feel helpless and hopeless and would rather not bother.
Unlike in many other nations, people here generally don't demonstrate publicly against perceived outrages.
The alternate explanation is that the nation doesn't care what the banksters have been doing, but that supports my "Americans are apathetic" theory.
The people who are currently demonstrating on Wall Street do care. Do think it's worth a public spectacle. Do think it's worth getting media coverage. Do think it's worth publicly declaring that this is not ok.
And for that you are mocking them? Better that they sit on their asses about their beliefs like a vast majority of the rest of us?
And we wonder why Democrats and Republicans are so inseparable most of the time?
Should the left or the right convince the general populace that they have met these criteria, citizens will show up.
...see you then?
Or people could, you know, decide to protest on their own accord, instead of someone holding their hand.
Speaking up for one's self and whatnot.
Thankfully people were a little more proactive in other historical situations.
whynot_31 said:
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I am still waiting to hear if you will join me at a demonstration that meets the criteria I outline.....Oh, and I go to protests. I don't need "The Left" to tell me to go.
I went to a Troy Davis rally in Times Square last week. I presume for that you would mock me as well.
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Correct, I am not able to trust the opinions of media sources who are always against the death penalty on a mans innocence.
When I do not have anything that resembles objective information, I find that I am merely able to hope that our justice system is always improving and is only executing innocent people after all feasible safeguards have been met.
Goodbye Mr Davis.
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I seek out information and try to make as informed opinions as I can.
In the case of egregious or urgent situations, I attend public rallies.
I wish the rest of this country was half as engaged and active, no matter what their political leanings.
Because most of this country is so apathetic (exhibit 1,023: your "hope that our justice system is always improving," an opinion worth mocking if ever there was one), rallies and media coverage are actually some of the only tools available to common citizens.
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Public demonstrations still seem to have an effect in nations where civil society is restricted or non-existent (see the "Arab Spring") and in France (in the form of the general strike), but this political style is pretty much exhausted in the USA, almost to the point of becoming a cliché. The declining significance of street protests is made worse when organizers promise more than they can deliver, in this case "shutting down Wall Street." The "Day of Rage" is nothing more than a local spectacle; meanwhile, for criminal banksters and feral traders (like the USB thug Kweku Adoboli) it's back to business as usual.
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I totally agree Witch-King.
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I totally agree Witch-King.
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After much thought I have decided that "obstructing governmental administration." is my favorite catch-all charge from cops to justify any fascist behavior they want.
Although these moves are also not without their charm:
New rules posted in the park on Saturday seemed aimed at the protesters. In addition to bicycle riding, camping gear and sleeping bags were now also banned.
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Does the protesters know they are trying to shut down one of the major industries that support NYC? No matter how much personally dislike wallstreet, but it benefits NYC as a whole.
Where is NYC going to get its lost revenue from?
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They're not trying to end Wall Street.
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They might be viewed as more credible if they told us what they are trying to do.
https://occupywallst.org/
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