mucho noise/partying on St. John's b/t Wash Underhill
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Subject: authentic communication
so many wrong miscues on earlier posts. good thing my real friend dj put me onto this blog, so those who are not aware of what is really being speculated by people really are, and those who didn't know are ecstatic to get this information. i believe most problems should be dealt with face to face. it brings dignity and respect to the situation, which helps an easier solution. there is no mistake on the position in my community i chose to take. i thank those who are part of the solution and not part of the problem -
i hope it's not off-topic to say that this goes the other way as well. we've a bunch of children (read: very young twenty-somethings) who live in one of the apartments facing the backyards we all have.
they have giant keg parties. they scream and yell and laugh and play really loud music barf and are generally like the young crowd at the jersey shore (don't get your back up, i'm from jersey so i know from what i speak).
police have done bupkus, under the pretext that they can't figure out which apartment from just looking down through the backyards.
some of my neighbors, whom i now adore, yell out the windows and tell them, i quote, to "shut the fuck up, people are trying to sleep." -
Subject: Re: authentic communication
howdareu wrote: so many wrong miscues on earlier posts. good thing my real friend dj put me onto this blog, so those who are not aware of what is really being speculated by people really are, and those who didn't know are ecstatic to get this information. i believe most problems should be dealt with face to face. it brings dignity and respect to the situation, which helps an easier solution. there is no mistake on the position in my community i chose to take. i thank those who are part of the solution and not part of the problem
i'm glad you guys are talking this out here, and hope you will continue. however, i've got to be honest in saying that if i were new in the neighborhood, and there was a giant crowd on my street playing loud music, do you think i'd be comfortable coming out and asking them to turn it down? esp. when you often feel you're not wanted in the community? please think about this; i'm pretty outspoken and not shy, but i'd never put myself in the position of being the one to ask a large group of loud people to turn it down. i would call the police. -
Subject: Re: authentic communication
howdareu wrote: i believe most problems should be dealt with face to face. it brings dignity and respect to the situation, which helps an easier solution.
Before any of this, d-miriam approached a neighbor face to face and got a hostile reaction. She approached someone with respect (we have to assume), and got no respect in return. You can't blame her for being a little shy. -
911 their asses
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Subject: Oddly Quiet
Love him or hate him, howdareu certainly seems to yield a great deal of influence with the noisemaking crowd. When I got home last night, it was really quiet. It was nice. There were no crowds, partiers, or noisemaking SUVs...And for the record, the SUV owner actually lives in one of the buildings...and I'm from what I can tell, he knows howdareu pretty well. Thanks howdareu. -
Subject: Curb Your Dog Signs...
Howdareyou...were you involved with the curb your dogs signs that were plastered everywhere on St. Johns? I have a feeling you were involved with that...i wish i would've worked, but so far, there's still dog crap everywhere. -
Subject: Re: authentic communication
howdareu wrote: i believe most problems should be dealt with face to face. it brings dignity and respect to the situation, which helps an easier solution. there is no mistake on the position in my community i chose to take. i thank those who are part of the solution and not part of the problem
I don't doubt that you make a lot of really important contributions to your block. But the way you've acted so far has come off as pretty hostile, and not at all an example of what you yourself are preaching here. Posting someone's home address, calling people who disagree with you or don't like your tactics "pure evil," and making warnings about talking to your friends in the police department aren't productive ways to get your point of view across.
So many online misunderstandings like this could easily be avoided if people would take a deep breath, read the entire discussion carefully, and think for a bit before responding in haste or anger.
While face-to-face discussions are indeed best for some things, a lot can be learned and gained by also taking part in online discussions like the ones we have here. Actually, I hope you stick around -- it would be great to see more input and participation in the discussions here from people like you who have been around the neighborhood a long time. Your perspective and experience is something we could all learn a lot from, and maybe you'd get some additional perspective yourself from seeing what some folks here have to say. You may also be able to connect with more people who are interested in getting more involved in their community and who are rarin' to go do volunteer work or do other good stuff. A lot of people here are new to the area and don't know that many neighbors yet, so they come to this site to try to learn more about their neighborhood and find ways to get involved.
I'm just guessing, but it seems like maybe you haven't been taking part in online discussions like this for very long. The way you jumped into the discussion here sounded like it was coming from someone who isn't familiar with some of the basics of how people communicate in online forums like this one. You might find this helpful to avoid getting into the kind of arguments that have happened in this conversation again in the future:
http://www.albion.com/netiquette/corerules.html -
Subject: thanks rbg
i read ur post on another issue the dog cleanup has been much better b4 the signs though to app i hear what u r saying but u have repeated yourself way too much -
Subject: ?
ap 666 are u for the ratner plan? -
Just like the name says GETOVERIT!!!! Okay, so you don't like the noise and the partying in the streets, well how about the dog ish we've been dodging since you people moved in. Not to mention when I get all dolled up and your dogs are aiming straight for my sunday best like I'm a fire hydrant. Walk 'em in the street, where dogs are supposed to be. Listen, no one says anything about you people having intercourse after coming home from the bars in the basements. Also, why is it when I call for a cab, you people just think you have the right to run past me and jump in it?????? what's that about? If you don't like what's happening call 311 and complain or go to the block association meeting and let your face and voice be seen and heard. See there
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Subject: Re: ?
howdareu wrote: ap 666 are u for the ratner plan?
Me? My gut reaction is that I don't like it. I *do* want to see something done with the Atlantic Yards, and I do want to see more jobs and housing in the area, but I have my doubts about how well the Ratner plan will really accomplish that. And what he's proposing seems way too big and not well thought out at all. I'd like to see a better, smaller solution -- something that doesn't take away existing homes and businesses.
But I'll be honest: I don't feel like I'm as well informed as some folks here on this issue. Poke around the site a bit sometime if you have a little spare time -- there have been tons of discussions about this from people way better informed than me!
What do you think about it? -
Subject: Re: ?
apollonia666 wrote: [quote=howdareu]ap 666 are u for the ratner plan?
Me? My gut reaction is that I don't like it. I *do* want to see something done with the Atlantic Yards, and I do want to see more jobs and housing in the area, but I have my doubts about how well the Ratner plan will really accomplish that. And what he's proposing seems way too big and not well thought out at all. I'd like to see a better, smaller solution -- something that doesn't take away existing homes and businesses.
But I'll be honest: I don't feel like I'm as well informed as some folks here on this issue. Poke around the site a bit sometime if you have a little spare time -- there have been tons of discussions about this from people way better informed than me!
What do you think about it?
Oh, and in case you asked that because of the "Bruce Ratner's Love Child" thing under my name: those are just funny/sarcastic names that the board automatically puts under your user name based on how many posts you've made here. I think they all came from this discussion:
http://brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=33400
It's all pretty geeky.
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i am for that project but not for that location i will send u a site where they give u the update on the project, there was a meeting at the church on sterling st n underhill
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getoverit wrote: [...] since you people moved in. [...] you people having intercourse after coming home from the bars in the basements. Also, why is it when I call for a cab, you people just think you have the right to run past me and jump in it??????
Who are "you people"? Can you say who you mean, or will you argue only by innuendo? -
Subject: thanks...
hey howdareu,
thanks for sending that link about the Atlantic Yards. I hadn't seen those stats before - about what Ratner's definition of "affordable housing" really is - that he's making false promises. those stats really put things in perspective. I went to the public hearing at Metro Tech last night and got a lot of different info from both sides. please let us know when there's another community meeting about the Yards. I agree with you - the project could be good (if "affordable housing" was made more affordable), but maybe it's in the wrong location? where do you think they should build it? I know people have been talking about Coney Island where there's a lot more public land available (although, obviously, our neighborhoods still need a lot more affordable housing and job opportunities!) -
Subject: Dog Mess and Other Things---Getoverit
getoverit---its actually the black people who DON'T pick up dogshit and let their pits run around freely...do you know ANGEL, the pitbull? And I've seen black people let their dogs shit in the street and NOT pick it up...There's one lady with a cocker spaniel who does it all the time. As for having sex? Who doesn't? Certainly black people have sex, too, right?
Getoverit, I haven't always agreed with most of the things the people on this board have to say and many of them don't like me...I don't necessarily like the attitudes of many of the newcomers and honestly, I'm not always down with their, "we need to fix the poor black neighborhood," mentality, BUT, that said, I also acknowledge where we often fall short in this neighborhood (as black people), and in this case, we are certainly GUILTY of not picking up after our pets AND guilty of blasting music all times of the night on St. Johns Place...BUT, at the same time, we have a right to feel comfortable in the community that has been ours for so many years. -
Subject: Re: Dog Mess and Other Things---Getoverit
RBG wrote: getoverit---its actually the black people who DON'T pick up dogshit and let their pits run around freely...do you know ANGEL, the pitbull? And I've seen black people let their dogs shit in the street and NOT pick it up...There's one lady with a cocker spaniel who does it all the time. As for having sex? Who doesn't? Certainly black people have sex, too, right?
Getoverit didn't actually say anything about white people. It was all about "you people." Getoverit is actually an old white Italian man who lived here in the 1950s when it was an Italian neighborhood, and his comments were directed at the Carribeans and African Americans who have come to the neighborhood since then. Personally, I find his comments racist and highly offensive.
Getoverit, I haven't always agreed with most of the things the people on this board have to say and many of them don't like me...I don't necessarily like the attitudes of many of the newcomers and honestly, I'm not always down with their, "we need to fix the poor black neighborhood," mentality, BUT, that said, I also acknowledge where we often fall short in this neighborhood (as black people), and in this case, we are certainly GUILTY of not picking up after our pets AND guilty of blasting music all times of the night on St. Johns Place...BUT, at the same time, we have a right to feel comfortable in the community that has been ours for so many years. -
Subject: Re: Dog Mess and Other Things---Getoverit
RBG wrote: BUT, at the same time, we have a right to feel comfortable in the community that has been ours for so many years.
Off topic, but didn't you move here five years ago? -
rbg u are very slick talking and thank you for picking up after your dog and since you own your apt y don't u assist the block on the dog owners that u see 4 yourself that does not pick after their pets u said on another blog the black people respect you because u are 1 and they help u with your vehicle
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Has anyone ever read Last Exit to Brooklyn by Hubert Shelby? I think that book inspired howdareu's writing style--very existentialist (or whatever ism that was). No caps, punctuation, etc. I find his syntax-less posts to be highly evocative of the nihilistic, rule-challenging society of the inner city that shuns the oppressive mores of the capitalist hegemony that constrains our inner expressiveness and cultural diversity. Very impressive.
On a side note, this thread really shows the dangers of getting to know the other members personally. If I actually knew all of you, I'd have to be the normal, level-headed, diplomatically taking into account both sides of every argument, reasonable guy that I pretend to be in everyday circles. And that would be no fun at all! -
Subject: Good Day My Fellow St. Johnsians...
For those of you that want to know what I mean when I say "you people", put it this way, I mean the same thing you mean when you say "their culture". Now you figure out the rest. If anyone took offense, it's probably due to some inner guilt you're feeling; can't help you with that. Furthermore, incase you haven't realized, you live in the ghetto people. I don't care how much dough you rake in, what kind of car you drive, whether you're in a low income building or you own your condo, St. Johns bet. Washington and Underhill is the ghetto, so is the rest of the area. With that being said, loud music in Summer, pumping from an SUV, partying on the sidewalks and "breaking day" (you verterans know what that means) are all a part of it. It doesn't happen every night, but it happens. If you don't like it, assess your finances and MOVE!!!!!! AND ACUTALLY I AM A GORGEOUS BLACK WOMAN, WHAT?!!!! :arrow: =; -
Subject: Re: Good Day My Fellow St. Johnsians...
getoverit wrote: AND ACUTALLY I AM A GORGEOUS BLACK WOMAN, WHAT?!!!! :arrow: =;
I'm so glad. When you were an old Italian man saying those things, you were a total racist and an asshole. -
Subject: Dear RBG...
RBG: Do me a favor, watch your mouth. See you've already exposed yourself as a pure hypocrite. All your messages contradict. Not to mention I've already witnessed your bullshit up close and personal. Stereotypes?... who gives a damn what other people think about us because they don't understand what we do and why, I sure in the hell don't! I don't live my life to get good reviews from people that don't sign my paychecks. If you met me, I'd probably be stereotyped as "uppity, boujee", but trust I am not. Screw a stereotype, that's just another word used to mask the fear of the unknown. Furthermore, sex, yes I gets mine, sex in the basement, maybe you can give me some insight on that because I don't do those. You mean to tell me, all that money you're making and you're having sex in the basement? Something is really wrong with that picture. Oh and as far as cleaning up the dog shit in the neighborhood, I'm glad you realize your purpose, keep up the good work SISTAH. =D> -
EAT MY ASS!
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Getoverit---i never said anything about sex in the basement---that came from howdareyous post...sorry you misread.
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Subject: RBG
No, I was the one who brought up sex in the basement because it was something I witnessed. You were the one who said "sex, doesn't everyone have it." It's you who misread. Howdare has nothing to do with this. -
Subject: Re: RBG
getoverit wrote: No, I was the one who brought up sex in the basement because it was something I witnessed. You were the one who said "sex, doesn't everyone have it." It's you who misread. Howdare has nothing to do with this.
Actually, you were talking about having sex, after coming home from "the bars in the basements." You didn't say anything about sex in the basement until you attacked RBG. Don't blame her for your inability to express yourself clearly. -
Subject: Carnivore
Get off mine, go play with yourself or something. You don't like my style, sorry can't help you with that. RBG knows what I'm referring to, let her deal with me. Go do something incestial.
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