NW Crown Heights/Rogers, safe for female students?
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BKChickie said:
I would think that your daughter would have a hard time affording anything further west--even as a share. I also have a hunch, based on my own building, that lots of co-ops in expensified areas are no longer allowing rentals to those under 21. We had a problem with young residents (who came with stellar recommendations) who didn't understand that no everyone keeps a student schedule.This part of Brooklyn is changing by the month, in my opinion. When I moved to Prospect Heights five years ago I thought the edge of gentrification (and thus, expensification) was Vanderbilt Ave. Now, I think it's Franklin. Your daughter is going to be a block east of Franklin. There's constant foot traffic on Franklin.
All along, my personal no-go zone was east of Utica Ave. This is several blocks west of that. I think she'll be fine. Not, blase, wear-your-heaphones-while-whipping-out-the-iPhone4S-to-text-the-BFF, fine, but that's nowhere in Brooklyn.
Also, may I just add, if I, as a 20 year old, found out that my mom was posting on message boards asking about my safety--and not trusting my own judgement as a young adult--I would have been furious. Deep breaths, mom, your daughter is going to be fine.
@BKchickie, yep..have had a hard time finding affordable (and decent) places and also have had a landlord at a place they all loved who didn't want to rent to them because 2 are students. Thanks for taking time to comment.
And, no worries about my posting questions on her behalf on a forum. She's aware of it. We have a great relationship and she often invites me to assist in the decision making process because I have a gift for asking questions and ferreting out information.She has been so busy with starting school and apartment hunting that she hasn't had time to research on the internet. Also, since we have to sign the lease as guarantors, we do feel we have the right to give some input. My husband advised against some other apartments where the neighborhood just looked really sketchy. Ultimately the decision is up to her and her roommates.
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adobogado said:
advice tip #2, be friendly and polite with the older folks who live in your neighborhood (post retirement age). If you see an old lady every morning walking her dog or fixing her plants, say good morning. The people who know everyone in the neighborhood and the happenings on the block will keep an eye out for that nice young girl who says high every morning.Point is while the "dark streets" might seem scary, the knucklehead teens hanging on the corner who you are scared of, might be more scared of their grandma. So make friends with the grandma.
Excellent advice! Thanks so much. BTW, love the term "knucklehead" though I'm kind of guessing at the definition. I've seen it used in a number of posts from New Yorkers. I mean, I get the gist...just hadn't heard the term...must be a regional thing.
@BKchickie - thanks for expanding on this advice. Good to know who are the real "eyes and ears" of a neighborhood.
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Amy Sara Clark said:
I cover the crime in the area up to Bedford (Rodgers is one block east. It's a lovely, safe area during the day, but from what I've seen after about 11 p.m. there have been a lot of muggings, many violent (though most of the violent ones have affected men).If your daughter can avoid walking alone after 11 p.m. she should be fine. There is also a volunteer organization called the Brooklyn Bike Patrol that can escort her home every night after 8 p.m.
You can see all the recent crimes that have police reports at the link below, on Prospect Heights Patch (up until about 10 days ago, there's a lag getting the reports). But remember, I haven't covered any crime East of Bedford.
http://prospectheights.patch.com/columns/police-blotter-ac19d696
Thanks for the info. It was actually looking at this site and others like it with local crime stories and stats that got me concerned about the neighborhood in the first place. Hopefully most nights she won't be coming home after 11:00 but Brooklyn Bike Patrol looks like a great resource for those nights she'll be home later. What a wonderful service they are providing to the community!
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Thanks again everyone for the advice. So, the update is that the young women have leased a nice newly-renovated 3 br apt and will be joining you in the NW Crown Heights neighborhood.
If anyone has any further advice or tips they want to share, that would be great. They don't have internet turned on in their apt. yet but I'll let my daughter know about this forum and the great info here.
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@eastbloc - I was over near Brower in 2007. Worst area of the city I had been to at the time. Wasn't mugged but definitely verbally intimidated and stared down. The landlord showing me the place asked me why I was looking out there, and that he liked me but didn't think I should move there. Hello Bath Beach

Franklin might be cool and hip but it has a dark underbelly. Be careful in or around the bars at night. Also coming off the avenues onto the streets. This is coming from a guy who thinks Washington is sketchy (although not enough to avoid) so take it for what it is.
I much agree with all Psychologist had typed about people ignoring neighborhood quality and value.
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Man I was in CH last weekend. Franklin is far from sketch. Hell I have been over by Utica late at night. Looks/feels a lot like Nostrand. Actually a lot of (I think) Hasidic Jews on Utica. Brownstones out there are really nice too. Not saying I would live there, but its not like the moment you step off the train you get stabbed. Hell I have been out off the end of the 2/5 line in ENY. Some blocks are DEFINITELY sketch. I didn't like walking out there. But some blocks are super quiet. If you have a car (which is def doable out there) and don't stick out or draw attention to yourself its doable. At the end of the day though its about what you feel comfortable with. And in any case, you really need to live somewhere year round to really know whatever issues a neighborhood has. But Franklin sketch? Franklin is safer than its ever been. My second NYE in CH someone celebrated by popping shots not even 20 ft away. I think its different now, 4 yrs later.
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Washington is sketchier than Franklin.
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eastbloc said:
Washington is sketchier than Franklin.Washington certainly seems to have more street drug traffic between 6 PM and 10 PM.
Yes, I'm talking about the guys selling drugs near the closed video store on Washington near St John's: http://www.brooklynian.com/forums/topic/shooting-on-washington-ave
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I think more violent crime happens on Franklin though. I am willing to go back though to check it out as its been about a year.
Washington just looks dingy... I think its safer though (although I know people that have been mugged on the streets off of underhill/washington)
eastbloc said:
Washington is sketchier than Franklin. -
And more run-down businesses, loitering, and trash in general.
In the last two years, the commercial foot traffic on Franklin has surpassed Washington, which is not surprising given the comparative amenities available on both.
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The transformation of the former hospital into apartments really gave Franklin a boost
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I haven't heard of much violent crime on Franklin in the last two years. Most of the muggings happen on the side streets, and seem to happen just as frequently off of Underhill than off Franklin or Washington.
The Franklin impact zone makes a big difference.
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agreed.
...I've been surprised that the muggings don't all seem to be happening after 10PM. I thought it was mostly limited to "mug the intoxicated guy of his smart phone and/or wallet after 10 PM." However, it seems to be a "mug the guy who may or may not be intoxicated, of his smart phone and/or wallet sometime after 8 PM" phenomena.
I suspect women don't get mugged more because they know better than to walk alone; where as men seem to be more confident/dumb....There also may be a stigma against a male mugging a female, and proportionately less female muggers.
But I digress.
Crime usually peaks in the summer, so it is yet another reason to look forward to falling leaves, rum spiked apple cider, and children dressed as superheros.
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Franklin gets more foot traffic because it's an express stop as well as a hub station. Washington just isn't as busy, plus there has been plenty of high density development closer to Franklin than Washington.
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End of 2/5 line is in Flatbush, not ENY.
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eastbloc said:
If safety is of such utmost concern, one should live in a gated compound with armed guards posted at the gate. This is New York City, not Disneyland.
My dad helped with some initial plans for the Disney owned gated community Celebration built in the 90s. And murder happens there too.
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I have lived here for years, I love the area. As to the specific question about subway stops, the Park Place stop is fine - but because the S is the only train there there are less people than at the Franklin Avenue stop. And walking East on Park is fine - its a nice, quiet block of beautifully restored homes.
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