prospect park is not the tour de France
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I'm going to go biking now and preach the word.
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Amazing that this thread is still going strong, and for the vitriol that it elicited. One additional reason for the sometimes garish cycling clothing is visibility -- precisely so that cyclists can be very easily seen -- and not hit -- whether by cars or by the likes of you. No one's interested in a collision.
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mdgately wrote: Amazing that this thread is still going strong, and for the vitriol that it elicited. One additional reason for the sometimes garish cycling clothing is visibility -- precisely so that cyclists can be very easily seen -- and not hit -- whether by cars or by the likes of you. No one's interested in a collision.
Calling people "the likes of you" doesn't do a whole lot to reduce the vitriol level. -
this thread rile me up, almost wants me to carry a stick around to knock the guys off their bikes.
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"Maybe you haven't noticed, but a lane of the road is designated for runners and walkers. So your idea that the road is intended solely for wheeled vehicles is incorrect. Too much of the road has been given over to bikes and cars, but they don't own the whole damn thing."
WRONG. there is a jogger/pedestrian lane. The road proper is for vehicles with wheels. Sorry, that's the way it is. -
Is anyone against them damn horses? They seem to kick alot of dust up. Gits in my way when I'm biking. Maybe Alpo could use some extra ingredients?
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jmp66 wrote: "Maybe you haven't noticed, but a lane of the road is designated for runners and walkers. So your idea that the road is intended solely for wheeled vehicles is incorrect. Too much of the road has been given over to bikes and cars, but they don't own the whole damn thing."
LuisF's original post was that the road was "designed" for wheeled vehicles, hence pedestrians should get off and stay on the paths. The only difference in the "design" of the pedestrian lane from the rest of the road is the white stripe separating them.
WRONG. there is a jogger/pedestrian lane. The road proper is for vehicles with wheels. Sorry, that's the way it is.
And just to prod the bikers, no one has answered about crosswalks. Seriously, you all who say we'd be safer if pedestrians crossed only at crosswalks -- do you have any intention of stopping in the middle of a training ride for pedestrians coming through a crosswalk? Have you ever stopped at a Prospect Park crosswalk?
Perhaps you have, but then you must bike in a Prospect Park different from the one I've run in 4 or 5 mornings a week for the past dozen years--maybe one where the lollipop trees stand tall next to the chocolate river. -
Ok, fine, I'll respond to the crosswalk question.
No.
Not once have I came to a complete and full trackstanding stop at any crosswalk anywhere in Prospect Park at any time. Nor have I gone blasting through one that has had people in it. What I do is slow down, change my trajectory, attempt to make eye contact (being cute helps, theirs and/or mine) and otherwise make sure I am proffering a comfortable cushion for us to pass each other sans collision. In fact, I do this anywhere in the park where dogs, squirrels, children, horses, humans or the police are making their way from one side of the road to the other, crosswalk or not.
I'd like to think most people with a shred of common sense act accordingly, but who knows. Common sense seems to be the one trait most lacking on the planet these days. I blame the internet.
In fact, this thread worried me enough to actually put a helmet on while riding last night. All this talk of bicycle vigilantism has me wary of stick-wielding maniacs running out of the woods to ram said stick into my front wheel while I'm egg-beatering away on the south hill. -
Ahab wrote: Ok, fine, I'll respond to the crosswalk question.
*runs around with is stick and yells !!
No.
Not once have I came to a complete and full trackstanding stop at any crosswalk anywhere in Prospect Park at any time. Nor have I gone blasting through one that has had people in it. What I do is slow down, change my trajectory, attempt to make eye contact (being cute helps, theirs and/or mine) and otherwise make sure I am proffering a comfortable cushion for us to pass each other sans collision. In fact, I do this anywhere in the park where dogs, squirrels, children, horses, humans or the police are making their way from one side of the road to the other, crosswalk or not.
I'd like to think most people with a shred of common sense act accordingly, but who knows. Common sense seems to be the one trait most lacking on the planet these days. I blame the internet.
In fact, this thread worried me enough to actually put a helmet on while riding last night. All this talk of bicycle vigilantism has me wary of stick-wielding maniacs running out of the woods to ram said stick into my front wheel while I'm egg-beatering away on the south hill. -
Seems like the Vehicle and Taffic Law gives pedestrians the right of way (with or without a traffic signal) so long as they are crossing in a crosswalk.
http://www.dot.state.ny.us/pubtrans/share.html -
Anonymous wrote: Hey, how come you guys deleted my post. I guess the mods are not following the sites rules (Tsk, tsk).
30 MPH is neither negligent nor criminal; it's the legal limit in the park.
I wrote that NYC and NYS laws regard bicyclists as vehicles and they should not think they're otherwise. Cyclists are hypocrites as they often want to be treated like cars (Using steets), but never stop at red lights. Also, the park is not some sort of private cyclist speedway, it's for pedestrians crossing the path as well. Doing 30mph is not negligent, it's criminal -
kensingtonmom wrote: Frankly if they are going to bike so aggressively they don't belong in a public park. If it happens again, I will make it my business to get their aggressive bicyling curtailed.
Oh? And where, if not a public park, should they bike? One of the many velodromes in the area?! yeah, right. If you're not cycling or running, why not use one of the MANY inside park paths, besides, they're much nicer than a road. -
Subject: Re: prospect park is not the tour de France
kensingtonmom wrote:
Yeah, right next to the rule where cyclists can't ride fast in a public park.
O.K. I was not in a crosswalk. I never heard the rule that you have to only use the crosswalk when crossing the road in the park on the weekends. Is that a rule?kensingtonmom wrote: Seems unfair I have to walk a 1/8 of mile out of my way
Holy snikies, a whole 1/8 mile?!?! that should take all of what, 3 minutes to walk? sheesh!kensingtonmom wrote:
The biking in one direction is actually a rule, do a search on these message boards, someone has posted it in the past. Does not apply to walkers/runners or stroller-pushers though.
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kensingtonmom wrote:
Curious how you know they are training and not just riding fast in uniforms, which is what I do most evenings. (given I don't yell, but I have to swerve to avoid mindless peds and stroller-pushers.
Riding and training are two separate issues. Obviously bikes are one of the many users of the park. If they must "train" then the park should set aside time in the early a.m.
Also, why not push your stroller in the early AM. Why do the bikers have to get up so early?kensingtonmom wrote:
Well, you said you were not in a cross-walk. General rule of thumb: crossing a street? use a cross walk.
If I were in the wrong (such as meandering in the road or walking really slowly or whatever, I wouldn't have brought it up) -
Anonymous wrote: [quote=kensingtonmom]
Curious how you know they are training and not just riding fast in uniforms, which is what I do most evenings. (given I don't yell, but I have to swerve to avoid mindless peds and stroller-pushers.
Riding and training are two separate issues. Obviously bikes are one of the many users of the park. If they must "train" then the park should set aside time in the early a.m.
Also, why not push your stroller in the early AM. Why do the bikers have to get up so early?kensingtonmom wrote:
Well, you said you were not in a cross-walk. General rule of thumb: crossing a street? use a cross walk.
If I were in the wrong (such as meandering in the road or walking really slowly or whatever, I wouldn't have brought it up)
Oops, these guest postings are mine, sorry, computer did not automatically log me on... -
Anonymous wrote: i have had it with the aggressive prospect park cyclists. i imagine these are the same people who drive Ford Explorers & H2s and run down bikers and pedestrians on the streets.
I don't own a car. Any car.
I'm fairly certain the same can be said for these "aggressive cyclists" generally, cyclists are advocates of anti-car. besides, we spend so much on our bikes, we can't afford a car, much along the gas for one!! -
Subject: Re: Bikers
Lucky Luciano wrote: Hey, this aint BNreaking Away. Dumb-fuck bikers need to get a grip and realize they are not gonna win their daddies' approval by biking real fast in those tight, shiny, gay outfits.
Brilliant post.
Slow down you dumb fucks and take a sip from your streamlined water bottles you flywheel jackasses. :roll:
troll. -
[quote="armchair_warrior"]
Please tell me your not silly enough to actually believe that a BLINDFOLDED PED would not be at fault if they got hit. seriously. blindfolded.
Wrong. Even if a pedestrian walks out into traffic blindfolded, if a car hits them, the driver is at fault. Period. -
armchair_warrior wrote:
If they're in a crosswalk (and I realize kensingtonmom wasn't), the law is clear.
Please tell me your not silly enough to actually believe that a BLINDFOLDED PED would not be at fault if they got hit. seriously. blindfolded.
Wrong. Even if a pedestrian walks out into traffic blindfolded, if a car hits them, the driver is at fault. Period.stacey wrote: Seems like the Vehicle and Taffic Law gives pedestrians the right of way (with or without a traffic signal) so long as they are crossing in a crosswalk.
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linusvanpelt wrote:
Fine, I'll bite. I'll start to stop at cross walks when the runners do, and when the walkers do, and when the stroller pushers do, and roller bladers and everyone else. Afterall, there are stoplights, and you stop at those on the outer streets when you're walking. Do you stop when you're walking in the park? I doubt it. [/i]
And just to prod the bikers, no one has answered about crosswalks. -
Carnivore wrote:
If they are blindfolded, how will they find the cross walk?
If they're in a crosswalk (and I realize kensingtonmom wasn't), the law is clear.
OK, imagine they walk to the cross walk, unblindfolded, then put on the blindfold to cross the street. Do you REALLY think any judge will blame the motorist that hits them? Laws may be laws but they're open to interpretation. I HOPE the judge would be smarter than the blindfolded suicidal street-crosser!! LoL -
kosherdave wrote: blindfolded suicidal street-crosser
I love that band.
To bring up a point, this incident occurred on a Sunday afternoon. All semblance of traffic rules are out the window. People, bewheeled and otherwise, are everywhere. Drum circles, ball games, remote controlled cars, stick-throwing toddlers, and saliva-inducing BBQ aromas are just some of the odder things I've had to navigate through on a bike on a Sunday. -
Whoops. That was me.
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Carnivore wrote:
Ok, just checked with my sis and her BF, both experienced lawyers. They say that it would be the motorists fauly ONLY if the blindfolded idiot was in a crosswalk. She actually had her legal assistant research this to confirm it.
If they're in a crosswalk (and I realize kensingtonmom wasn't), the law is clear.
See, this is where your money goes when you hire an overpaid lawyer!
I still don't think the blindfolded person would be able to find the cross walk though! -
Anonymous wrote:
Seriously, I think this is all the fault of drum-circle people in the street, man, the park is not for them! What are they thinking!
Drum circles, ball games, remote controlled cars, stick-throwing toddlers, and saliva-inducing BBQ aromas are just some of the odder things I've had to navigate through on a bike on a Sunday.
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the worst offenders I have seen are the Kissena club, and they do have their own velodrome. So let them stay in Queens!!!
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Anonymous wrote: the worst offenders I have seen are the Kissena club, and they do have their own velodrome. So let them stay in Queens!!!
I actually have to agree with that. Not that I oppose fast cycling, I do oppose yelling at people (at least obscene yelling, a good LOOK OUT is ok) -
kosherdave wrote: Fine, I'll bite. I'll start to stop at cross walks when the runners do, and when the walkers do, and when the stroller pushers do, and roller bladers and everyone else. Afterall, there are stoplights, and you stop at those on the outer streets when you're walking. Do you stop when you're walking in the park? I doubt it. [/i]
No, I don't. Of course, there's the tiny, irrelevant fact that if I collide with someone while walking in the park, I won't break their arms.
Seriously, though, fair enough -- when I phrased my question, I wasn't really thinking about having bikers come to a full stop at the crosswalks/lights, even if no one's crossing. Even I realize that would be stupid.
But I do think bikers should recognize pedestrians' right of way at crosswalks and yield to them, slowing, and yes stopping if necessary. (That I do, when running or biking.) Do you do that?
If so, you're better than your brethren -- crossing, even with the light, on a weekend is like playing freaking Frogger. -
/keeps muchin his pop corn.
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Anonymous wrote: [quote=Anonymous]Hey, how come you guys deleted my post. I guess the mods are not following the sites rules (Tsk, tsk).
30 MPH is neither negligent nor criminal; it's the legal limit in the park.
I wrote that NYC and NYS laws regard bicyclists as vehicles and they should not think they're otherwise. Cyclists are hypocrites as they often want to be treated like cars (Using steets), but never stop at red lights. Also, the park is not some sort of private cyclist speedway, it's for pedestrians crossing the path as well. Doing 30mph is not negligent, it's criminal
For automobiles it's 30 mph. I believe for bikes in Prospect Park it's 15mph. Don't quote me though.
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