Yankees Pitching Rotation Predictions
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That book kicks ass. I devoured it. Well written and interesting to boot. I never knew how many of them were straight up Christians. It is sad at points though. The Bronx is Burning book is good too.
Also, I don't wanna talk about Mo's decline. I don't want to jinx what he has done so well for so long -
Sooner or later he will decline.
I dont think last season he showed many signs of slowing down to be honest. He rebounded well from the awful 2004 postseason as well as the abysmal start into 2005, he had another solid season in 2006, didnt get as many chances as usual as the team usually outslugged the other team or got outslugged, there werent many close ones. But the one he pitched he was solid.
I give him at least 2 more years of dominance, time enough to groom one of the new farm-hands into his sucessor.
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kaiserkai wrote: I give [Mo] at least 2 more years of dominance, time enough to groom one of the new farm-hands into his sucessor.
Perhaps, but probably not a day more.kaiserkai wrote: But we will never see another one like him.
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This was in the Times today. A kinda sad Bernie article:
February 8, 2007
For Williams and Yankees, Clock Is Ticking
By TYLER KEPNER
The next road trip on Bernie Williams’s schedule is not to Tampa, Fla., for Yankees spring training. He will not be packing bats and gloves. Instead, he will bring his guitar to a church in New Milford, Conn., tomorrow, for a benefit concert with Chynna Phillips.
Williams, 38, has the rest of his life to appear at such events. He is an accomplished guitarist, as anyone who has heard him strumming peacefully in his corner locker at Yankee Stadium knows. But his days as a baseball player are numbered.
The question is whether they are over, officially. Williams does not want to retire, and he does not want to leave the Yankees. But he does not want to grovel for a meaningful job with them, either.
The Yankees do not want to beg Williams to accept the standing offer they have made him. Williams has been invited to spring training as a nonroster player, but with no guarantee of a spot when camp breaks on March 31.
“Bernie right now is just focused on the Yankees,†his agent, Scott Boras, said yesterday. “He really is. I know there is interest out there from a number of other teams, but his focus is on the Yankees.â€
Other teams have offered Williams guaranteed major league contracts, according to Boras. But the Yankees have no plans to make such an offer because they do not envision Williams on their 25-man roster.
The Yankees plan to carry 12 pitchers and two first basemen, not including Jason Giambi, who will become the full-time designated hitter. There is room for only one reserve outfielder, Melky Cabrera.
Last spring, the Yankees had a comparable roster crunch in the bullpen. They had space for two left-handed relievers, Mike Myers and Ron Villone, but agreed to let the veteran Al Leiter come to camp as a nonroster player.
That was a new role for Leiter, who had 19 years in the majors. The difference is that Leiter was ready to retire and mostly wanted to stay in shape for the World Baseball Classic. Williams, who hit .281 last season, wants to keep playing.
“I was 40, and Bernie’s 38,†Leiter said yesterday. “So he’s probably working out, and he feels good. It’s a tough spot, it really is, for him and the Yankees. I would say, if it’s about playing, he should find the best opportunity to play. And if he wants to play, his best opportunity is not with the Yankees.â€
Williams could accept the Yankees’ invitation and hope he makes the team, either through an injury to an outfielder or a trade of Cabrera. And if the Yankees end up with no spot for him, Williams would at least have showcased himself for other teams.
In a way, though, Manager Joe Torre could be the most important factor. Torre is loyal to Williams, and he could decide to take only 11 pitchers in April, effectively postponing a decision on a player he deeply respects.
For now, Torre could probably convince Williams to come to camp with one phone call. If Torre tells Williams that he truly wants him in Tampa — even without the promise of a job in April — it seems likely that Williams would go.
There is compelling statistical data to keep the switch-hitting Williams in pinstripes. In 133 at-bats against left-handers last season, he hit .323 with seven home runs. In 127 at-bats against lefties, Giambi batted .213 with nine home runs.
Torre has always dismissed the idea of trying Williams at first base, and the Yankees seem intent on keeping Andy Phillips or Josh Phelps as a right-handed complement to Doug Mientkiewicz. But given his success against left-handers, Williams theoretically could share the D.H. spot with Giambi.
In any case, Williams is unlikely to approach his playing time of last season, when he had 420 at-bats. He has seemed uncomfortable as a pinch-hitter and is no longer ideal for pinch-running or late-inning defense.
One American League general manager, who was granted anonymity because he did not want to speak publicly about a player who was not on his team, praised Williams for his class and experience. But he also questioned Williams’s value on the field.
“There is not enough offense to consider him an offensive bench player or enough defense to consider him a defensive bench player,†the general manager said. “His skills are trending down, and at his age there is very little reason to believe he will reverse the trend at all this season.â€
In spite of that, if Williams comes to spring training, there will probably be strong public pressure on Torre to keep him. Williams has the longest tenure of any Yankee, with 16 seasons in the Bronx.
It is hard to imagine Torre cutting Williams to make space for Phillips, Phelps or a 12th pitcher. Then again, it is also hard to imagine Williams risking the indignity of ending his career by being cut in spring training.
“You’re going to be dealing with baseball evaluations, but still — it’s Bernie Williams,†Leiter said. “He’s a guy who’s going to go down as one of the great Yankees in the history of the team. You have to be sensitive to it.†-
“You’re going to be dealing with baseball evaluations, but still — it’s Bernie Williams,†Leiter said. “He’s a guy who’s going to go down as one of the great Yankees in the history of the team. You have to be sensitive to it.â€
That's it in a nutshell. Thanks for the heads up, LeeHo. -
What do you guys think of Mo's recent comments? (We were discussing here not too long ago how long he has left and then this...) Meanwhile, it looks very likely that the Yankees have lost Bernie.
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They claim they dont want to renegotiate contracts until the end of the season.
Thats bullshit.
This is Mo, Posada and Torre we're talking about.
Just give them an extension and be done with it, maybe with the exception of Torre.
I am not surprised by Mo's comments, if they dont want to talk contract now why should he give them a home town discount at the end of the season, on whats likely his last contract before retirement.
Same with Posada.
and yeah it seems Bernie is gone, i can accept that but again not the way he has been treated, either say thanks but no thanks or give him a 1 year 1 mio extension.
You dont invite a career Yankee to spring training to compete with some 22 year old rookies for a roster spot.
I am upset about Bernie but if Mo walks i'll go ballistic. -
kaiserkai wrote:
Absolutely.
Just give [Mo and Posada] an extension and be done with it...
...why should [Mo] give them a home town discount at the end of the season, on whats likely his last contract before retirement.
Same with Posada.
and yeah it seems Bernie is gone, i can accept that but again not the way he has been treated, either say thanks but no thanks or give him a 1 year 1 mio extension.
You dont invite a career Yankee to spring training to compete with some 22 year old rookies for a roster spot. -
I know LeeHo started this thread regarding the pitching roster and I don't want to hijack it with talk about other players, but I thought you guys might be interested:
Torre speaks with Williams about offer
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070215&content_id=1802903&vkey=spt2007news&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy -
This whole Bernie thing is rubbing me the wrong way....
What are you guys thinking about the latest Bronx Zoo?
Freaking A-Rod should be put on a gag order not to talk to anyone for the remainder of the year.
And freaking Jeter should get rid of the teflon suit and for once say something meaningful.
If these guys dont like each other, so be it, Reggie and Thurman hated each others guts still they played and won together.
I personally dont give a flying fuck if these guys hang out or not. -
Agreed. But, man, I am gonna miss Bernie.
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Just as I thought he would, Bernie declined to show up for ST under the conditioned circumstances the team offered him. And rightfully so. Question for you guys: Did the Bernie thing go down without the Boss' OK? (Meaning, the guarantee or lack thereof of a roster spot for him.) Is there a possibility of a 'Hail Mary Pass' here?
There always seems to be drama in the Bronx: DiMaggio and Mantle, Reggie and Thurman, A-Rod and Jeter, etc etc etc but I'm with Mr. K on this one: I DON'T CARE if these guys are not friends/don't hang out anymore. Talk to me about what they are doing on the field. If you want to go into Jeter's duties/abilities as Capt. fine, otherwise the media needs to shut the hell up already with this A-Rod/Jeter nonsense. But I guess it's not Yankee baseball without some intrigue/drama.
Speaking of A-Rod, check this out guys:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=caple/offbase/070221 -
Good article. Thanks for the link.
I am, admittedly, not an A-Rod fan, he just rubs me the wrong way.
Not because of his performance but because of his personality, but this guy speaks the truth that he is more villified than TO who is a real asshole.
A-Rod is a model citizen and great player.
I would never boo a Yankee anyways, and i think its wrong to do so, you root for the uniform not for the player. Some postseason hits this year will make it a bit easier for me to root for him though
I dont think there will be a bernie saving "Hail Mary" from the boss, if that was the case he would have already done it. -
Wow, Sports Illustrated this week wrote that they think Hughes will be called up around Memorial Day and have 9-6 record with 3.78 ERA. Very, very interesting!
Any thoughts? -
LeeHo wrote: Wow, Sports Illustrated this week wrote that they think Hughes will be called up around Memorial Day and have 9-6 record with 3.78 ERA. Very, very interesting!
I didn't read the article but I think SI might be getting a bit ahead of themselves with Hughes. But then again, at a time when pitching is at such a premium, and mediocre and/or over the hill hurlers are coddled, it's no surprise that a genuine talent like Hughes will be made much fuss over.
Any thoughts?
It's a given that he will pitch in the Bronx this year but it will be interesting to see if the Yankees get too eager and throw him in the mix on a much more regular basis. -
Baseballprospectus lists Hughes as the #2 prospect nationwide.
I hope they give the kid the time to develop properly.
Have him pitch a game here and there to get some exposure and then bring him up as a rook in '08 -
kaiserkai wrote: Baseballprospectus lists Hughes as the #2 prospect nationwide.
From your keyboard to Cashman's ears.
I hope they give the kid the time to develop properly.
Have him pitch a game here and there to get some exposure and then bring him up as a rook in '08
Who's #1, btw? -
Alex Gordon of the Royals
http://baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5892
Not sure how much you can drill down on it without a subscription though. -
Thanks.
#10 must get razzed quite a bit. -
He he I didnt even see that.
And like clockwork our own Carl Pavano gets injured, can one person have this much bad luck or is he just collecting a pay-check and waiting it out?
Sure is nice to not work for 2.5 years and collect 25mios.
Abreu is injured too.
Ah well its still some time till opening day, April 2nd baby, I cant bleedin wait. -
kaiserkai wrote: And like clockwork our own Carl Pavano gets injured, can one person have this much bad luck or is he just collecting a pay-check and waiting it out?
Yeah, I know, but I'm gonna give Pavano the undeserved benefit of the doubt, just because. I'm not worried about Abreu. He'll still have a couple of weeks to recover before Opening Day. Hey, are the Yankees in the Bronx on OD?
Sure is nice to not work for 2.5 years and collect 25mios.
Abreu is injured too. -
Yeah.
April 2nd 1:05pm vs. TB Devil Rays
There goes another vacation day.
Lets hope Pavano proves us all wrong, gets healthy and wins 12+ -
Yanks looked good tonight. I finally sat down and watched part of a game. Karstens looked really good!
Kaiserkai, did you actually score tix for opening day? Are you an every game season ticket holder?
Can't wait for the shit to begin! -
Even Pavano looked good. Lets hope he earns some of his money for a change.
Yes I have a full season plan, it's been in the family for 3 generations now.
Same seats every year. -
Whatever. The Red SOx have the better pitching staff anyways.
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That question will have to be answered at the end of the season and not before the first pitch is thrown.
On paper doesnt mean shit. -
kaiserkai wrote: That question will have to be answered at the end of the season and not before the first pitch is thrown.
Can I get an 'amen', brother?!
On paper doesnt mean shit. -
I actually don't think the Red Sox look all that good on paper. Matsuzaka is a big question mark, Schilling is just a, well, dick, and his republican ass is old, Lester is coming back from chemo..........
We will see, huh? They came in 3rd in the AL East last year and I don't see them really doing any better than that. Sorry, but I will talk shit any day against that team. I really hope Matsuzaka is kind of a flop over here. They spent what I'd call "Yankees-esque" cash on an unknown and foreign pitcher. -
I know. Off to an interesting start indeed!
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