Are These Your Kids????
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Well, I have a 13-year-old and I can't imagine her, or any of her friends, acting that way. And I've spent some time in her school as a volunteer and have found most of the kids to be reasonably polite and respectful.
But I've definitely known some bratty Park Slope kids, and I would agree that the worst of them have parents who can't say no and put up with backtalking and mouthiness. The most obnoxious kid I've known was being raised by a hippie mom who wanted her daughter to "challenge authority" -- which meant that the kid was allowed to call her mother a bitch. :roll:
But I also think that people have been complaining about "kids these days" for many generations. -
Yavel wrote: [quote=LaSirena]I've certainly learned my lesson; leave the abusive little monsters alone!
I think you did the right thing Sirena. If my kid were acting out in this way I would expect someone to bring it to his attention. Even though the rudeness wasn't directed at La Sirena, she had a right to speak up. They're just looking to see what they can get away with. If enough people shame these kids into submission, they'll eventually get the idea.
I agree. I want people to feel free to correct my children's behavior if it crosses a line and I don't want my kids then swearing at the adult! We have been cowtowed by our own children! -
Rose wrote: But I've definitely known some bratty Park Slope kids, and I would agree that the worst of them have parents who can't say no and put up with backtalking and mouthiness. The most obnoxious kid I've known was being raised by a hippie mom who wanted her daughter to "challenge authority" -- which meant that the kid was allowed to call her mother a bitch. :roll:
who can then grow up to be Ann Coulter or some other control freak
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Subject: Privileged Kids Gone Wild
I like observing the kids in this neighborhood, it's like a nature show. I've been here ten years so I've seen many of them grow from toddlers in tow to teenagers smoking and making out on the corner.
The personas we witness on the streets are no doubt a far cry from the way they act in school or in front of their parents. I'll bet the cursing and smoking brats you saw in the pizzeria are straight-A honor students.
I think it's cool that these kids are finding a way to experiment with rebellion within the safety of this privileged neighborhood. Don't worry, they'll shape up when they get to college. In the meantime, just watch and enjoy. -
Subject: Re: Are These Your Kids?
pitu wrote: [quote=escap][quote=pitu]
Well...okay, I can't disagree with the gut irritation towards local rich kids, you got me there.
I don't romanticize the working class. I *do* have more irritation with our local rich kids who act like assholes because their parents failed them . . .
[quote=Drano]There seems to be a lot more of this in Park Slope than the World in general. You can see the 5 year olds walking around right now that are going to be that in 10 years. It's a combination of things, but the bottom line is that a lot of people seem to feel that they are harming their children by imposing any real discipline - or even structure - on them. Sucks for the kids and the rest of us.
As for the "World in general" comment, I'll guess that's tongue in cheek. At least I hope so--ever come across a machine-gun wielding 11 year old in Sierra Leone? I think kids in the "World in general" still have the upper hand over our local brats on the "undisciplined and unstructured" barometers.
o MY
are we speculating about what the lucky kids at PS321 would do when kidnapped and brutalized into child soldier life? That doesn't seem very nice . . .
Not speculating at all, nor am I speculating how childhood soldiers would have hypothetically been had they been raised in the lap of luxury. Am merely saying it's absurd to say PS kids are worse than kids the world over (anyway you didn't say this, Drano did). That there are good reasons for this (such as kidnapping and brutality) is without a doubt. I'm just tired fo the "Americans are worse than everyone" line. Sorry for the silly patriotism, which is actually ironic I guess since I can't stand most of this country outside of Brooklyn and Manhattan (and then only parts). OK, and maybe some of Queens. -
Rose wrote:
So cliche, but you couldn't be more right. There is nothing new here.
But I also think that people have been complaining about "kids these days" for many generations. -
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teenagers and going to be teenagers, piss them off and they're right in your face. i'm not saying anyone should speak to anyone this way, but you kinda walked into it."
how is it for generations prior and in other coutnries, teenagers DON't act this - is it perhaps because of attitudes like yours?
baby boomers want to be buddies to their kids, not parents. -
Anonymous wrote: "
perhaps teenagers didn't behave in this particular way because the words/behavior wasn't in their vocabulary. perhaps, watching MTV and the OC, et alia, shows them ways of communication they won't learn at home.
teenagers and going to be teenagers, piss them off and they're right in your face. i'm not saying anyone should speak to anyone this way, but you kinda walked into it."
how is it for generations prior and in other coutnries, teenagers DON't act this - is it perhaps because of attitudes like yours?
baby boomers want to be buddies to their kids, not parents.
(teenagers in war-ravaged countries, for example, don't likely say things like this. but they follow the crowd and help burn fires in the street and yell anti-american sentiments which they learn because that's what surrounds them.) -
Subject: pompous ass
WTF? Go anywhere in this city and meet idiot monsters like that. You wouldn't be bitching if you saw it in Bay Ridge or Bed Stuy, now would you? Nope, only cool to whine when it's in Park Slope. What? You never go to Bed Stuy? Oh, surprise surprise. -
Subject: Re: pompous ass
kumera wrote: WTF? Go anywhere in this city and meet idiot monsters like that. You wouldn't be bitching if you saw it in Bay Ridge or Bed Stuy, now would you? Nope, only cool to whine when it's in Park Slope. What? You never go to Bed Stuy? Oh, surprise surprise.
Actually, it's never ever cool to whine. -
Subject: Re: pompous ass
kumera wrote: WTF? Go anywhere in this city and meet idiot monsters like that. You wouldn't be bitching if you saw it in Bay Ridge or Bed Stuy, now would you? Nope, only cool to whine when it's in Park Slope. What? You never go to Bed Stuy? Oh, surprise surprise.
No, you could get away with complaining if it happened in Bay Ridge because you could blame it on the parents' being Republicans.
"Hmmph! So much for their 'family values'!"
"Hear, hear! Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Mr. Cheney!" -
I think you did the correct thing, not that it helped by their reactions. I taught/teach my kids to respect adults. They might not like what an adult says at times but in no way would I condone mouthing off to anyone even a complete staranger. Good manners are lacking in kids and adults these days.
I've seen little kids hit and slap their mothers while the mothers act like nothing is wrong that poor little zoe is just in a bad mood.
I had brunch with my husband last week at a neighborhood restaurant and a young child was crying loudly for a good 20 minutes. Why the mother or father did not remove the child is anybody's guess. I guess they think we should all suffer the kids crying fit. When our kids were small no matter what type of restaurant we were in if they were crying one of us would go outside till they calmed down. -
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grubin wrote: YEAH WELL.. WE SMOKE BLUNTS AND DRINK 40 ounces on your stoops when you sleep!
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