Girl gangs attacking women
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Anonymous wrote: Why shouldn't kids(minors) be held accoutable for their actions if they assault someone? If nobody teaches them that violence is a serious offense how are they going to grow up? Doesn't anyone care? Some of you seems to just ho-hum the issue and the problem never goes away. Obviously that kind of attitude isn't working. Why does our cities public service system not have a minor division with clout? What about all the victims of violent crimes and what about how it effects them forever? Shouldn't that matter more than a community being affraid to confront a child or group of kids? If the kids are doing it because they are minors and they know nothing will happen to them then they are taking advantage of a failed system. Why is this OK? Is it really all about the price of realestate? Is it all a conspiracy? We are ALL paying taxes for a failed system. OK,... and discuss.......
I don't think anyone here said they didn't care or that nothing should be done about these incidents. There were already active discussion threads on this topic on other sections of the board. The user who started this particular discussion thread has a history of starting threads that some of us feel are overly alarmist, and some of us felt it wasn't necessary to start yet another discussion when there were already some going on. That's all. I would encourage you to read the other threads that were already going on about these incidents rather than chew people out here for something unrelated. Here they are:
http://www.brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=35208
http://www.brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=35119 -
just stop rent control. people would live where they can afford. those ghetto kids would be moving to east new york or newwark.
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apollonia666 wrote:
Thanks for the links I will read them.
I don't think anyone here said they didn't care or that nothing should be done about these incidents. There were already active discussion threads on this topic on other sections of the board. The user who started this particular discussion thread has a history of starting threads that some of us feel are overly alarmist, and some of us felt it wasn't necessary to start yet another discussion when there were already some going on. That's all. I would encourage you to read the other threads that were already going on about these incidents rather than chew people out here for something unrelated. Here they are:
http://www.brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=35208
http://www.brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=35119
As a newcomer to the site I was disturbed by your comments in reply to mine for several reasons. I saw the original authors message titled "girl gangs attacking women" and thought I could comment on it. I have a friend who was recently involved in an attack by young females so I thought the "girl gangs attacking women" thread was about just that. I guess I was wrong.
Who is "SOME OF US"(I pray it isn't all of Brooklynian.com) and why do you feel compelled to stifle conversation on serious issues even if you and "SOME OF US" are feeling Dakota is an alarmist. It's her right to speak out about anything she wants. Isn't that one of the reasons why this website exists? To discuss things about "OUR" community? I didn't realize Brooklynian.com was running so short on web space. I guess everything including the Internet highway has a limit, damn. Whether you feel her alarm was another cry that the sky is falling is not the issue. Women are getting attacked is the issue. Shame on you for not understanding that apollonia666. Maybe you should be more concerned than you are. Or does it not effect you until it happens to you? That would be sad. Maybe then you could relate. Oh, and so much for free speech.
Speaking of related issues, I felt my input was relevant and related to the issue. I actually wanted to broaden the discussion to ask what we can ALL do about the issue. I tried to open the discussion about minors acting out and getting away with it. I guess you didn't like the path I was going down. But violence isn't fun or sexy to talk about is it?
I did not single anyone out (until now) or "chewed them out"(until now) as you put it. You should have a thicker skin if you post, especially if you moderate. Chew them out? Your funny.
Am I causing discord? Shame on me. We wouldn't want to understand each other would we? Sad. People are scared and want to discuss it. The thread was titled "girl gangs attacking women" get your eyes checked or just don't. I'm not the boss of you.
Idealy I think we ALL want to be able to live anywhere we choose and not have to look over our shoulders wondering if our loved ones are safe. I wanted to discuss those related issue to Dakota and Flo's alarm rather than snuff out a thread on it. I hope we could all relate on that issue. peace... truly. -
Anonymous wrote: Isn't that one of the reasons why this website exists? To discuss things about "OUR" community?
Yes, it is. That being said, Dakota lives far, far away... and we're not talking Bay Ridge. We're talking other side of the country. She isn't a part of our community. None of these things happened to her. That's one of the reasons that "some of us" took issue with her continually sounding the alarm. The other reason... well, let's put it this way - if we wanted to have all of the scary news distilled and then fed back to us, we'd subscribe to a Fox News RSS feed. -
Dakotas way does not live on the other side of the country and I have no idea where that came from. I live 20 miles away and my daughter is in YOUR community(by the way I have a niece in Prospect Heights and one in Park Slope also)
And I was NOT going to post anything but feel this has really gone far enough. You can rip me apart all you want, but this was posted to help other women be safe and if you think that's wrong and alarmist, then that's just a shame.
If you look at the posts about "Hit in the head by girls" and the original one about being "attacked by the model home", these posts came from Prospect Heights which is across the street from Crown Heights. I'm certain that all would agree that the girls and any other kids participating in these activites aren't afraid or even cognizant of where the neighborhood borders are and could really care less.
All I did was put the information together and got reamed for doing it.
Is this alarmist?? If so, then so be it. But talk to the people who did get hit or attacked or had their ipod stolen or the other things these kids have been doing and they would have loved to have known this was happening in the community.
Go back and read the posts regarding these events and you'll see people who wrote that they'd rather know what was happening in the area and some don't read the Prospect Heights forum and thanked me for letting them know what had occured with these women.(Did you read about the guy who was coming home Mother's Day and was surrounded by kids and a good samaritan came to break them up and apologized for this happening in the neighborhood? How about the blood on the street by Washington and St Johns that same week by the construction site? It was young kids randomly attacking people, and the neighborhood reaction was "Kids will be kids.They'll grow out of it."
Have you noticed an increased police awareness of this situation? I read it
in another post somewhere that they were alerted to these things and were taking some action now.
So, am I an Alarmist??? Call me what you want, but I hope it never happens to you because none of you deserve to have to be so street smart that you actually do need eyes in the back of your head to see the brick coming from the young girl behind you.
And the snarkiness.......I just don't get that at all with anyone who posts and the others don't agree. I don't at all see why you have to shred people. I just don't get it. -
there's no ripping apart here, just people pointing out that you started a thread about two pre-existing threads. overkill, much? (to borrow a buffyist sentence construction) that your starting a thread about two pre-existing threads raised such ire should, if anything, show you how annoyed people get when they have to read the same thing in more than one place.
and snarky can only be used to describe severus snape. the fandom agrees. you can't use the word snark or it's derivatives to describe anyone or anything else. period.
well. perhaps sev-like snarkiness might be acceptable. I'll poll the authorities. -
WhyFi wrote: [quote=Anonymous]Isn't that one of the reasons why this website exists? To discuss things about "OUR" community?
Dakota lives far, far away... and we're not talking Bay Ridge. We're talking other side of the country. She isn't a part of our community. None of these things happened to her. That's one of the reasons that "some of us" took issue with her continually sounding the alarm. The other reason... well, let's put it this way - if we wanted to have all of the scary news distilled and then fed back to us, we'd subscribe to a Fox News RSS feed.
WhyFi,
Dakota has an interest in our community if she or her daughter lives here. It shouldn't matter where she lives. She could live in South Dakota North Dakota or Swanton Ohio. You should be impressed she even cares. She's the kind of mother we need around here. I'll bet her daughter doesn't hit women in the side of the head with bricks.
Someone said earlier she probably is an embarrassment to her daughter. And to who ever that was, maybe your daughter was the one who attacked my friend. How does that sound? How does that make me sound to you? Stop all the assumptions and opinions of others. It's part of why there is this ill will of mine and not your territory. It divides us. Thats what FOX News is for.
I don't want to fear my neighbors or you or you. You have nothing to fear from me I'm actually on your side.
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Re: dakotas way
Jesus, thank god you're not my mother you'd drive me nuts. Do you have nothing else to do but post on neighborhood boards that you don't live in??Seriously, get involved with you're own community and drive them nuts for a change.
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dakotas way wrote: You can rip me apart all you want, but this was posted to help other women be safe and if you think that's wrong and alarmist, then that's just a shame.
How?!?!? How is this "helping"? What possible productive, insightful statement have you contributed to the conversation? Have you offered any possible solutions to the problem we are facing? Any phone numbers or addresses of places for victims to get assistance? Any URL links to any websites that may be of some use? What? What are doing to help? All you've consistently done is cry out, "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" There is absolutely nothing helpful in your actions, madam. The shame is that you can't seem to accept that.
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Thank you guest. Again, I'm not far at all from Brooklyn. And you're right. What does it matter how far when I have family right in your neighborhood??
And I've not lead a sheltered life hidden away somewhere, so it's not like I'm not aware of the many unexpected negative things that happen in our lives that are totally out of our control.
I don't take exception to the comments trying to demean my relationship with my family. I know where I stand with them. It makes me sad that someone would try that, because it makes me think they were the ones embarassed by their mothers, and that would be a shame. You may learn that was a mistake when it's too late and can't be corrected.
And like you, I am on their side.
King without a Crown mentioned in a post that he was glad that these incidents were being seen as more than coincidence and that a pattern was emerging and to be careful. He garners respect in your community and rightfully so with the information that he and Paraderest provide on police activity.
If compiling info from other areas into one post are so bad, then why would people bother reading them once they realized it was some kind of duplication? They could stop as soon as they realized they already knew of the situation. There were others who said they didn't read the other forums and had no idea these things were happening and were thankful. I don't like FOX news either, but what are newspapers and other news outlets but people who compile events for others to read and make aware of what is going on in the world? Are they all alarmists too??? Your neighbors were the ones who orginally posted these situations to make you aware of what was happening right where you live and save you from what had happened to them.
So....all I can hope is that one person gets information that they didn't have before and can remain safe because of it. -
Someone said earlier she probably is an embarrassment to her daughter. And to who ever that was, maybe your daughter was the one who attacked my friend. How does that sound?
Very silly, given that I don't have a daughter. I do, however, have a mother, who does not live in Brooklyn, and guess what? Somehow, she manages to be a excellent mom without hanging out on my neighborhood message board, harassing the locals. -
My apologies for getting the geography wrong, but with all due respect, while you may only be 20 miles distant, it's still painfully obvious that you're a world away...
Speaking of which, where do you live? I'd like to jump on a neighborhood message board and tell your neighbors how to navigate through their daily lives... -
OK. I didn't tell you how to navigate your lives. I just told you what happened in the area.
Guest, I didn't harass anyone and I'm also glad you have an excellent Mom. Everyone deserves that.
And by the way Shishkab....can you imagine if I did give you addresses or phone numbers for people to use? I'm certain I would be cruxified for that as well. I've been in property management for over 20 years and have had tenants with many challenges. As I have done many times, when a tenant is in financial trouble I am the first one to get on the phone to find the single black Mother who has been let go from her two jobs assistance from Christian Charities or womens groups or where ever I can to help people who are hardworking and deserve a break. I've never been told I was meddling for jumping in to help then even though it was never asked for. It helped them keep a roof over their heads and food on the table for their children. I allow tenants to be behind in rent for months, if need be, to catch up after a car accident, illness etc. Many of my tenants have been from Brooklyn (actually, some from Crown and Prospect Heights now that I think about it.) and have been thankful that I am caring and willing to help.
Well, good luck to you all and I hope you all lose the bitterness that seeps through when someone writes something that doesn't please you, even if it was only posted for your own safety. -
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This bickering isn't really creating any meaningful dialogue.
Dakotas way, we get it. You're understandably concerned about your daughter, and you're frightened by the number of posts here about crime in and around the neighborhood she's chosen to live in. But please understand that publicly working yourself into a tizzy on these boards isn't helping anyone. In this thread, you haven't posted any information that wasn't already posted in another thread. If we took your argument that some people might not have seen it to it's logical extreme, we'd have hundreds of duplicated posts about the same story to ensure that everyone got to see it. However, what this does, (and this may be what gets some of the regular posters here riled up) is artificially inflate the number of topics about local crime, making things appear worse than they actually are. There are now at least three threads on what is essentially the same crime spree by a group of local kids.
I'm thinking of starting a "crimewatch" thread that will be cross-posted to the Crown Heights and Prospect Heights boards and merging all of these topics into it. Then if anyone wants to post or read about the latest incident, there'll be one central place to go and we won't have so much duplication. -
Excellent idea Carnivore, to start a Crimewatch thread. Very productive.
It's a wonderful tool for your community.
Good luck with it. -
Don't forget to plot the attacks on a Google map so that we can predict where the storm will hit next...
okay, okay - I'm done. -
Anonymous wrote:
You missed the point.Someone said earlier she probably is an embarrassment to her daughter. And to who ever that was, maybe your daughter was the one who attacked my friend. How does that sound?
Very silly, given that I don't have a daughter. I do, however, have a mother, who does not live in Brooklyn, and guess what? Somehow, she manages to be a excellent mom without hanging out on my neighborhood message board, harassing the locals.
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Thank you PT
And WhyFi....if I could predict where anything would happen, than you could rest assured I would tell you, so you could avoid any unpleasantness in your life. -
She's the kind of mother we need around here.
Why? Do you suppose that if everyone's out-of-town mother hung out on this board and freaked out about crime, that the local crime rate would decrease? That's goofy.You missed the point.
Are you sure you had one?you could rest assured I would tell you, so you could avoid any unpleasantness in your life.
Ooh, you're so noble and caring! Pin a gold star on her!
Cythren, your analysis of this thread is right on.
Mod note: Fixed your quote tags. You might want to read up on how to use quote tags here:
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to the guest above, sorry you feel you have to be so sarcastic.
If it makes you feel better, than pin a gold star on yourself for your comment -
okay, i couldn't resist adding a star.
this thread makes me glad my mom doesn't have internet. she would yank me out of this neighborhood in a second. and would probably call all your moms to do the same.
dw, i think we all understand your concern. maybe you should encourage your daughter to post here. without mentioning she's your daughter, of course
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She's the kind of mother we need around here.
Why? Do you suppose that if everyone's out-of-town mother hung out on this board and freaked out about crime, that the local crime rate would decrease? That's goofy.You missed the point.
Are you sure you had one?
I do have a point. Should I write slower for you "Guest"? (Come on! Man up and use your user name I got one now).
OK, for the slower reader(s) my point was that a mother(father,whatever) that has time to get involved in their kids life might be able to raise a child who could make better decisions than the ones who attack people from behind with bricks to the head. That's what I was talking about. I wasn't writing about anyone in particular on this site....Get it?
It is sad that instead of avoiding the thread because the author annoys, is TOO concerned, doesn't live close enough or that there are two other threads on the topic, a few others wanted to hijack the thread called "Girl gangs attacking women" and make a point to beat down the threads author who you all agree is an easy target by talking about her like she isn't there. It's disrespectful.
Whatever. If that's what you like to do on your holiday weekend god bless.
If you've involved yourself in the thread by attacking Dakota Way you've participated in the beat down and hijacking congratulations.
I don't know her. Sorry Dakota but on my first visit to this site I read your thread because of the title. I thought your thread was the one my friend Flo had written about the attack on her.
My intention for speaking out in your defense was because as a newbie on this site it seemed like you were getting eaten alive by others and shut down. I should have waited for you to respond in your own defense you seem tough enough. That's not why the message board is here though.
Still some participants here don't like outsiders or anyone who doesn't agree with them participating in their community thread regardless of their intentions. As a new comer to the site they sound as smart as the tweens who are attacking women in the area. With concerned neighbors like this in my neighborhood I guess I'll continue to watch my own back. This has been useful to me thanks all. -
Again PT, thanks for the thoughtful response.
It's funny you mentioned the tweens comparison, I've been thinking that these responses do seem like a bunch of 7th & 8th grade girls (which does seem to fall into the tweens catagory) going after someone they feel is weaker for fun, just like in middle school when girls are particularly vicious.
But as you noted....I'm not weaker.
And the disrespect that seems to be handed down by the clique who responds most is rather sad, because it literally is across these boards and on many postings throughout.
My whole intention with this thread was so that there wouldn't be another Flo or any other person who was minding their own business in life and targeted.
If the clique had been paying attention they would have seen that I hadn't posted in a while after admitting that I did get too stirred up over crimes in your neighborhood and backed down.
I thought I was doing something positive to help by linking those sites. Apparently it wasn't appreciated so....you're on your own and keep looking over your shoulders. Negative karma tends to be a bummer when it strikes, so maybe you might consider trying a more positive approach in life and towards others. What goes around, comes around. -
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Carnivore wrote: This bickering isn't really creating any meaningful dialogue.
Dakotas way, we get it. You're understandably concerned about your daughter, and you're frightened by the number of posts here about crime in and around the neighborhood she's chosen to live in. But please understand that publicly working yourself into a tizzy on these boards isn't helping anyone. In this thread, you haven't posted any information that wasn't already posted in another thread. If we took your argument that some people might not have seen it to it's logical extreme, we'd have hundreds of duplicated posts about the same story to ensure that everyone got to see it. However, what this does, (and this may be what gets some of the regular posters here riled up) is artificially inflate the number of topics about local crime, making things appear worse than they actually are. There are now at least three threads on what is essentially the same crime spree by a group of local kids. -
I would love to see a new neighborhood watch board set up for PH and CH. Great idea.
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