I was locked up for 44 hours
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Q: How do I find if there is an outstanding warrant out against me? I called the cops and they want me to drop on by and produce id.
A: If you really want to know, hire an attorney to find out if there's a warrant. (Cops still may not say whether a warrant is outstanding.) If you don't want to pay for an attorney to find out about the warrant, just tell the cops “requesting†your presence that you don't wish to drive down to the station to show them your driver's license. Sit tight and wait. If they do have a warrant, they'll will add it to the 15,000 other unserved warrants. If you get stopped for a traffic violation, they'll grab you. Whether they'll make a special trip to arrest you depends on the nature of the crime.
http://criminal-law.freeadvice.com/arrests_and_searches/outstanding_warrants.htm -
Livetotravel wrote: If you get stopped for a traffic violation, they'll grab you.
There was also a woman brought into the cell late that night, her van had been broadsided in a car accident, she most likely had some cracked ribs and could barely breathe, and was in severe pain. She had an outstanding traffic summons from years ago, so instead being brought to the hospital, she was arrested and put in jail. She lay on the floor all night and the next day moaning and crying in pain.
Maybe you don't want to wait around if you think there's something outstanding.
Truly that was like a night in hell. -
I think some Key details are missing from this story.. First off a Detective called you into the precinct on a Domestic Violence complaint. Domestic violence cases are seldemly given Desk Appearance Tickets. Not only were you arrested on a new charge, you were also held on Outstanding warrant for Riding a Bike on the sidewalk. Warrants are issued for failure to answer criminal court summons. You stated that you were Riding your Bike on the sidewalk and you threw your summons in the garbage. Apparently you thought there would be no ramifications to your actions. Im not quite sure why, or who your pissed off at. It seems to me that your actions lead directly to the situation that you are now in. The strange thing is that you're not mad at your Ex-Girfriend for making a complaint against you and your not mad at yourself for not dealing with your summons.
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Contact the DA's office. Mr. Murphy is the rep for PS. 718-250-2805 is the main number for the community relations department.
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bluecat wrote: Can some lawyer type explain how one gets arrested for riding a bike on the sidewalk. (Do I hear Arlo Guthrie strumming..) My only guess is he didn't pay a fine. Just one fine. Years back I didn't pay for a couple of parking tickets resulting in my car being impounded. Nobody ARRESTED me. What's the diff ?
A ticket is not a punishment for a crime - it is a fine. That is government-ese for a tax.
the punishment for tickets (or non payment of taxes) is impounnding your vehicle, or, in the case of property taxes, a lien on your home.
You can find out if you have any parking tickets by going to nyc.gov
You can probably find out if you have any outstanding bench warrants there too, but be prepared to face them if you search them.
It is against the law for adults to ride a bicycle on the sidewalk, as it is a public safety nuisance. It is usually unenforced, but if you knock over a kid or old lady, or cross paths with a cop under quota, they willbreak your chops. -
bklyngirl718 wrote: You can find out if you have any parking tickets by going to nyc.gov
You can find the parking tickets by plate number.
You can probably find out if you have any outstanding bench warrants there too, but be prepared to face them if you search them.
http://nycserv.nyc.gov/NYCServInquiry/NYCSERVMain
This is what I found for warrants:I think I have a warrant for my arrest. How do I find out?
http://home2.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/faq/faq_police.shtml
You may contact the Warrant Section's Telephone Inquiry Unit at (718) 217-8484. You will be asked a series of questions and an investigator will search the records for you. -
all these rules and laws are all good and fine, but none of them warrant (no pun intended) the way both of these people were treated.
i don't know the whole story about the OP, and KWAC seems to have found something. but sje? inexcusable.
and i don't care what anyone says, there is absolutely NO REASON for people in jails to be treated like animals. why little is done about this fact boggles my mind. in fact, forget my analogy about animals: if this were the state of the animal shelters in this country they'd get shut down. -
In response to king without crown:
I do not know the protocol for Domestic Violence complaints... I doubt that you do. I will say this one more time: had it not been for the bike warrant I would have been given a desk appearance ticket. That is the plain and simple truth (given the facts of my case) as voiced by the detective, my lawyer and every cop I encountered since and during the incident. I'm not going into the "key details" because, frankly they are boring, but more importantly, they are none of your business.
Obviously, my actions lead to my situation...it doesn't "seem" that way. It is that way. I never said I wasn't mad for not dealing with the bullshit summons, what do you think I thought about for a good 20 or 30 hours in the pokey?
I have to ask, why is it strange that I'm not mad at my ex? We've already established that is was my actions that lead to the situation. Furthermore, if it wasn't her complaint it would have been my next traffic stop or some other random citizen/officer interaction. Shit it could be five years down the road (these things never go away), with a kid in the back of the car on the way to grandma's for the weekend.
I encourage you, "king without a crown", to think before you write if you care to post again. Thanks buddy. -
I don't know what the detective told you, but the reality is, that Family Offenses are NOT DATable. Im assuming since you haven't cleared up what your original charge was, that it was in fact a family offense. It is quite peculiar that you went into very specific detail on your whole ordeal, from pissing in a bottle, to the rap music you listened to at Central Booking. You did however completely omit what you were locked up for. I guess your embarassed and probably trying to get back together with your Ex. I'm also willing to bet there was an Order of Protection served to you at court, which by the way, you sound like your on your way to violating. Maybe you can break your 44 hour record this time.
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King without a crown wrote: I don't know what the detective told you, but the reality is, that Family Offenses are NOT DATable. Im assuming since you haven't cleared up what your original charge was, that it was in fact a family offense. It is quite peculiar that you went into very specific detail on your whole ordeal, from pissing in a bottle, to the rap music you listened to at Central Booking. You did however completely omit what you were locked up for. I guess your embarassed and probably trying to get back together with your Ex. I'm also willing to bet there was an Order of Protection served to you at court, which by the way, you sound like your on your way to violating. Maybe you can break your 44 hour record this time.
He was locked up because he had a warrant stemming from an unpaid ticket.
Amirite? -
King without a crown wrote: I don't know what the detective told you, but the reality is, that Family Offenses are NOT DATable. Im assuming since you haven't cleared up what your original charge was, that it was in fact a family offense. It is quite peculiar that you went into very specific detail on your whole ordeal, from pissing in a bottle, to the rap music you listened to at Central Booking. You did however completely omit what you were locked up for. I guess your embarassed and probably trying to get back together with your Ex. I'm also willing to bet there was an Order of Protection served to you at court, which by the way, you sound like your on your way to violating. Maybe you can break your 44 hour record this time.
In all respect, it seems to me that you are jumping to a LOT of conclusions here. The OP never stated that the complaint against him from his girlfriend was a Family Offensive, Domestic Violence, or anything. All he stated is that it was a COMPLAINT, and that it _was_ in fact DATable. None of which has anything to do with what subsequently happened to him, it was just the impetus that got him into the station in the first place that set off the rest of the chain of events for the day. In and of itself, he would have been in and out on the DAT on the complaint filed by the ex, hence its irrelevance other than as a vehicle to place him at the station.
I'm not sure what your agenda is here in continuing to harp against this point, I would love to hear your comment on the 44 hour experience removed from the obvious fact that it could have been avoided had he answered the original bicycle ticket. Do you believe the 44 hour process the occurred to be proper and correct, removed from commenting upon his mistakes that got him into it that could have been avoided? -
Theres got to be a reason why the original charge was omitted from the story. The whole 44 hour ordeal sucks, noone is defending that. Thats the System, guys sometimes spend weeks in jail for lesser offenses.Often the whole arrest processing/Central booking experience becomes the punishment rather than a neccesary process to answer a criminal complaint.
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King without a crown wrote: Theres got to be a reason why the original charge was omitted from the story. The whole 44 hour ordeal sucks, noone is defending that. Thats the System, guys sometimes spend weeks in jail for lesser offenses.Often the whole arrest processing/Central booking experience becomes the punishment rather than a neccesary process to answer a criminal complaint.
so isn't this the real issue (the latter, about the "system")? where are basic human rights in here? i mean, if people on death row are being treated more nicely, and in some states there are lawsuits going on about which chemicals to give the prisoner so he doesn't suffer, doesn't it stand to reason that our constitution should protect us from this shit? -
If I was embarrassed I would have said I got pulled over for running a stop sign, an open container, shoplifting, smoking on a subway platform, or Dun Dun Dun riding my bike on the sidewalk again.
For the 5th time I'm not going into specifics of the complaint. Secondly, the POINT of the post WAS to go into the specifics on my confinement... frankly, how I got there, given the innocuous nature, is a tad irrelevant at this point.
I will not comment on the ex other than to say she is a fine woman. I will comment on you "king or morons" by saying: you are factually incorrect, you have misquoted me, misinterpreted me, and you seem to have an cyberspace bone to pick. Please stop presenting assumptions designed to further your skewed analysis.... Thanks buddy. -
There are obviously important details left out from the OP, so speculation on WHY is pointless.
Regarding the conditions of jail - being locked up at the precinct is not jail - it is detention. it is not a judgement of guilt or innocence. It is a holding tank until someone makes bail or gets released on recognizance. It's not a waiting room at a spa, and it's not death row. It's not supposed to be "nice" or operating-room clean. It's lock-up.
Because the cops have no way of determining guilt or innocence, they have to do what they can to protect themselves in their own house. That means planning for the worst.
Since when did the police become the enemy? -
Questioning the veracity of locking someone up in nasty conditions for 44 hours for an outstanding minor ticket does not necessarily make one anti-police.
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bklyngirl718 wrote:
Central Booking downtown, where we both spent the majority of our time, IS Jail. I was not offered the option of bail or getting released on recognisance, no one was. What are you even talking about? We ALL had to wait until we could see the judge the next day, when perhaps you are offered those things. The conditions in JAIL are beyond appalling for human beings, no matter what they did. And the cops need to protect themselves from a sidewalk bike rider with no priors whatsoever? I stopped trusting cops because of the way they treated me knowing exactly why I was there. I didn't pay a ticket for a minor offense. That's when they became my "enemy". Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Regarding the conditions of jail - being locked up at the precinct is not jail - it is detention. it is not a judgement of guilt or innocence. It is a holding tank until someone makes bail or gets released on recognizance. It's not a waiting room at a spa, and it's not death row. It's not supposed to be "nice" or operating-room clean. It's lock-up.
Because the cops have no way of determining guilt or innocence, they have to do what they can to protect themselves in their own house. That means planning for the worst.
Since when did the police become the enemy? -
sje wrote: [quote=bklyngirl718]
Central Booking downtown, where we both spent the majority of our time, IS Jail. I was not offered the option of bail or getting released on recognisance, no one was. What are you even talking about? We ALL had to wait until we could see the judge the next day, when perhaps you are offered those things. The conditions in JAIL are beyond appalling for human beings, no matter what they did. And the cops need to protect themselves from a sidewalk bike rider with no priors whatsoever? I stopped trusting cops because of the way they treated me knowing exactly why I was there. I didn't pay a ticket for a minor offense. That's when they became my "enemy". Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Regarding the conditions of jail - being locked up at the precinct is not jail - it is detention. it is not a judgement of guilt or innocence. It is a holding tank until someone makes bail or gets released on recognizance. It's not a waiting room at a spa, and it's not death row. It's not supposed to be "nice" or operating-room clean. It's lock-up.
Because the cops have no way of determining guilt or innocence, they have to do what they can to protect themselves in their own house. That means planning for the worst.
Since when did the police become the enemy?
I was referring to the OP, who's experience and attitude seemed sketchy at best.
Is Central booking at the House of Detention, on Atlantic Avenue?
I have no doubt it's an awful place to be. I've never been arrested, and hope never to be. I'm as "bleeding heart" as they come, but I don't believe jail should be "nice". You are presumed guilty in jail - it's a precaution the cops need to take. The presumption of innocence is only applicable in court.
When i was in 4th grade (in a rough neighborhood in manhattan), our class went on a 'field trip" to the local lock-up, where they locked us in to show us how crappy it was. I wasn't "scared straight", but it was certainly not high on my to-do list of places to revisit.
I'm not saying it's right - I'm just saying it is. The unfortunate truth is that the majority of people who are put in jail come from far worse conditions than prison. -
bklyngirl718 wrote:
I'm no lawyer, but I'm sure the presumption of innocence applies until you've been convicted of something. Yes, there is a system you are now subject to, and that includes being held against your will, but you're not guilty yet.
I have no doubt it's an awful place to be. I've never been arrested, and hope never to be. I'm as "bleeding heart" as they come, but I don't believe jail should be "nice". You are presumed guilty in jail - it's a precaution the cops need to take. The presumption of innocence is only applicable in court.
Why don't you think jail should be nice? When you say nice, I'm sure you're not talking about fresh flowers and egyptian cotton sheets and down pillows... just how un-nice do you think it should be? Lack of clean water un-nice enough for you? Maybe throw in an overflowing toilet to show 'those people' some justice? Some roaches and rats to gnaw at their (obviously) guilty consciences?
Until proven guilty, and actually even after they possibly are convicted and sent away - people deserve decent conditions in their detention. No fresh croissants and cappucinos perhaps, but clean sanitary conditions and an absence of physical danger would be a good start. -
You are presumed guilty in jail - it's a precaution the cops need to take.
Even if this is true, what do filthy, rat-infested cells have to do with "taking precautions"? Locking people up in a filthy cell does not make the police any safer than would locking people up in a cell that meets minimal standards of cleanliness and comfort. -
SouthSlopeSuit wrote:
C'mon - even OJ was held "against his will". The police aren't the one's who make the decisions about guilt or innocence, but need to plan for the worst.
I'm no lawyer, but I'm sure the presumption of innocence applies until you've been convicted of something. Yes, there is a system you are now subject to, and that includes being held against your will, but you're not guilty yet.
Why don't you think jail should be nice? When you say nice, I'm sure you're not talking about fresh flowers and egyptian cotton sheets and down pillows... just how un-nice do you think it should be? Lack of clean water un-nice enough for you? Maybe throw in an overflowing toilet to show 'those people' some justice? Some roaches and rats to gnaw at their (obviously) guilty consciences?
As for the dirty water, roaches and rats - have you been to JJ Byrne park lately? How about the Parade Grounds bathrooms - or even the public toilets ANYWHERE in Prospect Park. these are areas for the general public to use, and they come quite short of being remotely clean.
Hell, jail is alot nicer than the toilets at CBGB's were
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I will not comment on the ex other than to say she is a fine woman. I will comment on you "king or morons" by saying: you are factually incorrect, you have misquoted me, misinterpreted me, and you seem to have an cyberspace bone to pick. Please stop presenting assumptions designed to further your skewed analysis.... Thanks buddy.
Your Ex gets you locked up, and you say she's a fine woman? You get suckered by some detective to turn yourself in? You get locked up for an outstanding warrant from a summons you threw in the garbage? I think if anyone is a moron on here it's YOU BUDDY!! -
bklyngirl718 wrote:
Actually, being locked up at a precinct or a holding unit IS jail. It's not prison, which is you're long-term incarceration destination.
Regarding the conditions of jail - being locked up at the precinct is not jail - it is detention.
Hey that rhymes!
Anyway. Just wanted to mention that... -
Carmen wrote: [quote=bklyngirl718]
Actually, being locked up at a precinct or a holding unit IS jail. It's not prison, which is you're long-term incarceration destination.
Regarding the conditions of jail - being locked up at the precinct is not jail - it is detention.
Hey that rhymes!
Anyway. Just wanted to mention that...
Call it anything you want - except a hotel or a spa. It's not supposed to be "nice" -
bklyngirl718 wrote:
The difference between jail and the places you mention is that they are attended voluntarily - I've eagerly waited in line to attend those institutions.
C'mon - even OJ was held "against his will". The police aren't the one's who make the decisions about guilt or innocence, but need to plan for the worst.
As for the dirty water, roaches and rats - have you been to JJ Byrne park lately? How about the Parade Grounds bathrooms - or even the public toilets ANYWHERE in Prospect Park. these are areas for the general public to use, and they come quite short of being remotely clean.
Hell, jail is alot nicer than the toilets at CBGB's were
If the Man presumes to keep you locked up (which I have no problem with), S/He has the obligation to ensure that your conditions are decent - not nice (mint on pillow, plasma TV), but decent (clean water, safe, sanitary).
Of course, they shouldn't be locking you up for nonsense... that's just a waste of everyone's time and resources, and is probably part of the answer to why the system is oversubscribed and nasty.
But there's a real hard-on for punitive action in this country. I don't share that in most cases, but if anyone wants to sign my petition to have litterers shot on sight, let me know. :twisted: -
bklyngirl718 wrote: I was referring to the OP, who's experience and attitude seemed sketchy at best.
Please don't take my responses to you as an attack but how can you say that. The man was told by police to come in and he did. He could have given them a hard time, blown them off, etc. and then to be arrested for an outstanding ticket.bklyngirl718 wrote: I have no doubt it's an awful place to be. I've never been arrested, and hope never to be. I'm as "bleeding heart" as they come, but I don't believe jail should be "nice". You are presumed guilty in jail - it's a precaution the cops need to take.
I dont know what protection the cops need since they are the ones with the training, the guns, sprays and sticks as well as the keys to the cells. Hell they have it on the cars "courtesy, professionalism, respect" I agree jails shouldn't be spas but remember some of these people are not hardened criminals and no matter what are human beings first. We keep the kennels for our stray animals in better conditions than our jail cells.bklyngirl718 wrote: The presumption of innocence is only applicable in court.
That is ridiculous. Why do we have due process laws then? If that was the case the police would be able to prosecute you also. Its the same reason why cops must obtain warrants during their investigations - to protect the rights of citizens.bklyngirl718 wrote: I'm not saying it's right - I'm just saying it is.
That doesn't mean that it has to stay that way. Human beings deserve a little common decency and not have to sit in filth for over 24 hours. I have nothing against the cops, if anything I find this type of processing to be a total waste of their time. I would much rather see them out there getting the drug dealers off the street or on foot patrol. Im more upset with the bureaucracy of the situation. If these people, were just going to walk away with a summons, but wind up going through the system for an unpaid ticket, were allowed to pay this ticket right then and there everyone comes out ahead. Cops are freed up to do other things, jails cells are not so crowded, and people do not become upset with the judicial system. Hell put an ATM in the precinct, charge a $2 fee for withdrawals and donate that $2 to the PAL League.
Instead these people become disheartened with the police department, the city loses out on money (since in every case here discussed the original ticket was dismissed), cops are tied up with minor infractions, and the taxpayer foots the bill for the prosecutors and public defenders.bklyngirl718 wrote: The unfortunate truth is that the majority of people who are put in jail come from far worse conditions than prison.
Sorry but this is too much of a Bushism for me to even touch. -
1 The retarded revival was arrested for a Crime, not for Riding His Bike on the sidewalk.
2. You have 2 options when receiving a Criminal Court Summons. Option #1 Go to court and plead Not Guilty. Option #2 Go to court plead Guilty and Pay a fine. If you don't respond, a warrant will be issued for your arrest
3. To avoid the lousy conditions of Jail/Prison/Holding Cells/Central Booking. DON"T GET ARRESTED!!! -
The retard/moron comments should go away. They add nothing to the discussion. Someone needs to step up and be the bigger person here before they both get the thread locked for everyone.
While I agree that a good way to avoid the lousy conditions is to not get arrested, that in no way justifies either those conditions or the amount of time that was spent there. I would argue that the conditions there as described are inhumane and amount to punishing those who haven't even been convicted, which is absolutely wrong. It is up to the judge and/or jury to decide a punishment, the road there is not intended to serve in its stead. -
King without a crown wrote: 1 The retarded revival was arrested for a Crime, not for Riding His Bike on the sidewalk.
I do believe he was brought into the precinct because of a complaint made by his ex. Then he was arrested with a warrant that was issued due to an unpaid ticket stemming from riding his bike on the sidewalk.
2. You have 2 options when receiving a Criminal Court Summons. Option #1 Go to court and plead Not Guilty. Option #2 Go to court plead Guilty and Pay a fine. If you don't respond, a warrant will be issued for your arrest
3. To avoid the lousy conditions of Jail/Prison/Holding Cells/Central Booking. DON"T GET ARRESTED!!!
So he was actually incarcerated for failing to pay the ticket which, again, was for riding his bike on the sidewalk. -
Carmen wrote: [quote=King without a crown]1 The retarded revival was arrested for a Crime, not for Riding His Bike on the sidewalk.
I do believe he was brought into the precinct because of a complaint made by his ex. Then he was arrested with a warrant that was issued due to an unpaid ticket stemming from riding his bike on the sidewalk.
2. You have 2 options when receiving a Criminal Court Summons. Option #1 Go to court and plead Not Guilty. Option #2 Go to court plead Guilty and Pay a fine. If you don't respond, a warrant will be issued for your arrest
3. To avoid the lousy conditions of Jail/Prison/Holding Cells/Central Booking. DON"T GET ARRESTED!!!
So he was actually incarcerated for failing to pay the ticket which, again, was for riding his bike on the sidewalk.
It is all semantics at this point, but KWAC is basically correct, once abstracted. The OP was actually incarcerated on a bench arrest warrant, which by KWAC's logic, the reason for is irrelevant. Which I can agree with to the degree that the reason that he was in the precinct in the first place was irrelevant also. The ticket could have been for anything, he was not held on anything to do with the complaint on the ticket, but rather he was held for the crime of not responding to a ticket.
Picking nits, I suppose. And irrelevant to the OP's issue.
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