I was locked up for 44 hours

yet again proving that exercise is bad for you.

King without a crown wrote: Riding a bike on the sidewalk is a Criminal Court summons, unless Riding a Bike on the sidewalk becomes Reckless and creates a substantial risk of injury or death to pedestrians, in those cases, an arrest may be affected. A summons returnable to Criminal Court if not answered turns into a warrant. Transit doesnt issue Criminal Court summonses, they issue TAB summonses returnable to the Transit Adjudication Burea, which is Civil in nature.

thx Kwac
what I was thinking about was people who are arrested at political demonstrations (for a charge that is later dismissed, but that's a whole different discussion.) but instead of being released on a DAT (desk appearance ticket, ladies and gentlemen) are put through the system because a warrant comes up when they run the ID.
A warrant like . . . fare jumping when they were a stupid kid.
(yes, this happened to someone I know)
You said the transit stuff is in its own pool, but it doesn't look that way from the scenario I'm asking about. That's why I asked.

Yes, thank you for sharing this experience, as horrific as it was.

I have a warrant out for my arrest as well - I just found out about it - in New Jersey. Months ago, my Newark Light Rail fare card didn't validate (and yes, I put it in the validator - I just pulled it out too quickly, apparently), and I got a ticket. I paid the fine. But Newark Municipal Court said they hadn't received the check and I got a notice a little while ago that there was a warrant out for my arrest. I called them last week, and they told me that in fact they HAD received the check, and that I'd actually overpaid (go figure), and they didn't know WHY there was ever a warrant out because there shouldn't be.

This took me AN HOUR on hold on the phone to find out, by the way. Meanwhile, I work for a living, and these days I'm onsite at a new client's, so my opportunities to follow up and determine what is going on are very limited (who has an hour to spend on hold on the phone?). So I have no idea if there still is a warrant - but until I have another hour to sit on the phone between 8:30 and 4, I carry a copy of the canceled check with me in my bag just in case something like that happens again and I get tossed into the system.

All of which is to say, sometimes one is not necessarily a scofflaw. Sometimes it actually IS the fault of bureaucracy. And it's helpful to know what one might face should one find oneself in Drunken Revival's unfortunate situation. So I'm grateful to know these things.

Subject: Re: I was locked up for 44 hours

Drunken Revival wrote: Friday
7pm – Get a call on my cell. Detective Mark from the 78 (precinct) needs to see me. Nothing pressing he says. I tell him fine. 3pm tomorrow.

I just read your story, welcome to NYC. It is what it is.

The above quote marks your first mistake. When ever the police call you, you NEVER want to consent to speak with them. This may sound stupid if you have nothing to hide, but you do not know what is on thier mind, and your innocent answers can be taken out of context to make fit their motives.
The police will lie to you as common practice, as you found out.

Nothing pressing he says.

He already knew you had an outstanding warrant that he was going to arrest you on. Your complaint fell on his desk, he did a warrant check and got a hit. Uses the GF compaint as a reason to get you in for the easy collar.

3:45pm – Mark (the detective), who is a very nice guy tells me how it’s going to be: I’ll be photographed and printed at the 78 and then transported to central booking to see my court appointed attorney and the judge. I should be done in a few hours.

At 3:45PM on a Saturday, there is no way in hell you are going to see a judge before Monday, unless you have a 'name' lawyer coming down to the precinct. He knew when you would see a judge. Your lawyer friend doesn't know the system if he told you a few hours too. Unless he was pacifying you, as he knew you had a long weekend ahead of you. Had it been during the week, he could have pressed for them to have a squad car ride you down to Central Booking then tried to push you through for night court.

I would have told the detective that if they had business with me to state it, then tell him I would have my lawyer get in touch with him. My next move would have been to check for old tickets and warrants and contact my lawyer to have him find out what the police wanted with me.
If it was that serious, they would have come to you. They weren't going to come for the complaint which I doubt it was serious, as they didn't. They weren't going to come for the bike warrant either, you made it easy as you went to them.

Imagine, all that for a stupid warrant for riding a bike on the sidewalk. Had you paid off the fine, you wouldn't have gotten a warrant and you woudn't have gone through it.

All those people in there you saw, them too, are the easy vics. Most are people who are probably caught up in similar stupid situations. Many may have had old warrants that were cleared up, but 'not updated' in the system. Many are there for absolutely nothing Some deserve to be there for a true crime, 1 out of a dozen. The violent criminals are not kept where you went.

Drunken Revival wrote: Just a couple of quick comments:
- I was locked up because I didn't pay the bike ticket. I threw it in the garbage.

You are lying. No one gets arrested for riding on the sidewalk and thrown in jail for two days. You beat your girlfriend, were thrown in jail and now you want sympathy from us? That's incredible! I'm glad these 44 hours were so awful. Sounds like you deserve them.

Yep, that's right. And you were compelled to add to this thread yourself. Good for you.

is this the part where a poster states being arrested is not the same as being guilty, this is why we have a court system?

is this the part where a poster says the city can hold you for 72 hours prior to you being arraigned?

is this the part where Whynot says the city once held him for about 40 hours on a bogus charge, that was then dismissed?

is this the part where Whynot says he knows people who have spent time in lock up for doing things like: Stealing their own car?

....the story went like this: Eddie's car was towed. Eddie didn't know his car was towed. Eddie reported his car stolen. Eddie then found out his car had been towed, and paid to get it back. Eddie was supposed to live happily ever after. Eddie drove his car a few days later and found himself under arrest because he didn't have his wallet on him and the car was registered in his wife's name. Eddie was released two days later.

nah, this is a two year old thread about an accusation made against someone that seems to have been resolved by the court system.

P.S. Listen to Mantic's advice.

Julius Orange wrote: [quote=Drunken Revival]Just a couple of quick comments:
- I was locked up because I didn't pay the bike ticket. I threw it in the garbage.

You are lying. No one gets arrested for riding on the sidewalk and thrown in jail for two days. You beat your girlfriend, were thrown in jail and now you want sympathy from us? That's incredible! I'm glad these 44 hours were so awful. Sounds like you deserve them.

People get arrested and thrown in jail for all kinds of stupid shit.

A friend of mine got a ticket many years ago while on a jetski. She was going too fast and made a wake in the marina. She was "pulled over" by the police via boat and given a paper ticket, which fell into the water (hard to find a place to keep it while wearing a bathing suit and a life vest and nothing else) and fell apart.

Several years later she was driving upstate and got pulled over for speeding. Guess what? She had an outstanding warrant based on her jetski ticket and she was arrested. Yes, arrested. Shit happens. Some of it happens over two years ago online.

Huh? Why so crytpic? Whatever you said, I still think this guy is lying and was arrested for something other than riding his bicycle on the sidewalk.

And I think you need to take a little nap buddy.

Julius Orange wrote: Huh? Why so crytpic? Whatever you said, I still think this guy is lying and was arrested for something other than riding his bicycle on the sidewalk.

and even if he was....who fucking cares? besides you, who seems to care a lot.

(disclaimer: Flexichick does not condone domestic (or any other) violence, but there is no evidence of that here...except in JO's mind)

whynot_31 wrote: [quote=Carmen]I know people who have been arrested for unpaid bike citations (I also know someone who was arrested on a 3 year old bench warrant from an open container ticket. He was receiving a ticket for biking on the sidewalk at the time.)

Greetings Carmen!

I'm going to take a nap. Then get back to work providing professional help to people who are involved in the criminal justice system, as I have for the last 15 years.

Enjoy the nap, whynot. I'll stop using that Criminal Justice degree I have. I like to bust it out every once in a while to know that thousands of dollars did not totally go to waste.

Julius Orange wrote: [quote=whynot_31] Then get back to work providing professional help to people who are involved in the criminal justice system, as I have for the last 15 years.

Where you've apparently come to believe that every one who is arrested is telling the truth.

(it's Friday, I'll fall for the trolling, then promise to take my nap)

No, JO there are bad people in the world who deserve to go to jail and/or the death penalty, and one of the first steps in the process is arresting them. (wait, was I just called a bleeding heart liberal?)

Once folks are arrested they are entitled to an arraignment, and then a trial. ...all while being represented by a competent attorney. (If these things happen, they happen AFTER an arrest).

An arrest is simply an unproven accusation by the police or some common citizen who signed a complaint. The standards for arresting someone are not especially rigorous. Although not rigorous, these standards are actually a good thing; they allow the police to do their job, which is to simply give the ADA a case they believe to be sound.

In my case, the court system worked.
In the case of the guy who stole his own car, the court system worked.
In the case of the sidewalk bikers, it seems the court system worked (note to self: do not ride bike on sidewalk)

The police are simply doing their job when they use their authority to arrest people who are accused, and in instances when they actually see a crime being committed (the latter is their favorite time to do their job).

Many of us break minor laws everyday, and most of the time we don't get arrested for it. On some occasions, however, the police decide to make an arrest.

If you don't pay a ticket, it often turns into a warrant, which then turns into an arrest at the absolute least opportune time.

The fact that someone is held and then released proves nothing.
Don't like that people can be arrested for things that seem trivial? That's ok, change the law.

Don't believe that people are arrested for things that seem trivial? That's even easier. Really, don't take my word for it. Spend a morning sitting in the Arraignments Part. You'll see real live criminals, as well as regular people who have had a really lousy past 44 hours.

Believe that people who are arrested for more serious crimes (like Domestic Violence, murder, etc) must be guilty? Um, if you ever get called for jury duty, that's one way you're sure to not be chosen to sit in on a trial.

I have no doubt you don't believe him.

I just hope you are never a juror.

But you have found a new method and defintition of "justice". One that -if widely practiced- would save millions in court fees, and completely undermine the (albeit imperfect) society we live in.

P.S. I don't work in the court system, and never said I did.

...go to Arraignments tomorrow morning. It'll be good for you. People aren't held for 44 hours for minor offenses just once and a while, dozens of such people will be released in the AM.

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This is insane. This thread was dug up two years later? For what? To say that DR beat his girlfriend? It's not fair to accuse someone of something so bad no matter how much they may piss you off.

You're the one who needs to go take a nap,buddy.

Peace.