Ideas for calming down? (cops and citizens)
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djuoh wrote: [quote=sterling2000]What about a gate that stops bullets...go for the whole package!
I think the curtains will make me feel like I am living in the country, and there are really loud fireworks going off but it isn't fourth of July?!?!
I'm with you on the curtains...perhaps a niche urban market of kevlar curtains in lush calico with a handy pocket to hold a phone so one can stand at their window and make unnecessary calls to the police about gunshots. Then, one can sip herbal tea from a cup and saucer (never without a saucer, thank you very much) from the safety of bullet proofed curtains and watch the cops beat the snot out of inncocent bystanders.
I'm speed-dialing Martha Stewart... -
alafairnadia wrote: for that matter, how many gated communities are there in nyc? that seems more likely in southern florida than brooklyn.
There was a new condo/townhouse development up near Pratt that styled and sold itself around 18+ months ago as a 'gated community'. I think it's called "Clinton Hill Village". The prices were relatively reasonable, but I was turned off by the idea and didn't check it out when I was shopping. Later met someone who did move in there, and seemed happy with it.
So there's at least one. -
There's a gated community between Carlton and 6th Ave, on either Dean or Pacific Street. I forget exactly which one. It's a large apartment building with a large open area around it, enclosed by a locked gate. To get in you have to buzz the gate, and the doorman will let you in. He asks for ID at the front door.
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Subject: Re: Ideas for calming down? (cops and citizens)
LeeHo wrote: ... but I think people need to rethink the tactic of calling the cops every time they hear something...
Worst. Idea. Ever. It is our duty to call the cops whenever we hear gun shots or suspect acts of violence for the good of the community and our neighbors. It is their job to investigate and save lives. That life they next save may be mine, or your own, because some neighbor thought it best to call the cops.
Tell this to the rape victim, to the gun shot victim, to the mugging victim or the their families and friends that you heard something but decided not to call. -
djuoh wrote: [quote=alafairnadia][quote=djuoh]Maybe we should propose making Prospect Heights a gated community and all the ethnicities can know each other is safe from each other because everyone is wearing matching ankle bracelets. It could be like the armstrong bracelet without the steroids of course.
what does calling the cops regarding gunfire have to do with gated communities? for that matter, how many gated communities are there in nyc? that seems more likely in southern florida than brooklyn.djuoh wrote: Why would that business man inform the police? Its easy to call someone from the privacy of your own home with bullet proof curtains (I need to get some of those, can you get them at the local 99 cent store) He could jeopardize his well being by telling anything to the cops. Think about it...
bullet proof curtains? who said anything about bullet proof curtains? I think people have been saying that they don't want bullets coming through their windows ... is that a bad thing by your definition?
The gated community was a joke!
SevenOneEighty, said the curtain stopped her bullet
That was me that said it, and if you read closely I never said that the curtains stopped the bullet only that the bullet fell out when I moved the curtains. The combination of the trajectory of the bullet and the distance that it traveled resulted in the bullet coming in through the window striking the metal windowframe and then flattening. When I moved the curtain, out fell the flattened bullet. Surprised me as well, but the cop said that he had seen that kind of thing before.
In point of fact they were just a basic fabric that I picked up at Ikea to cover my windows. They probably do have something similar at the 99 cent store. Perhaps I can look for a set for you.
Now that we've settled that, why does people calling the cops frighten/anger you so? And what makes you assume that someone calling the police to report an illegal act means that someone wants to live in a gated community? What is your solution for living in a community with crime? Should I ignore gunshots because we shoud "stop snitchin"? What happens if someone is getting mugged outside of my home? Should I turn a blind eye because it might "jepordize (my) well being"? What if its your mother, or sister, or god forbid child that is being robbed, beaten, shot or stabbed? Just where exactly is the line that allows me to participate in society and yet not have to take any responsibility for my place in this community?
Just askin'... -
homeowner wrote: "stop snitchin"
You are so right...I've struggled to understand how anyone could have the mentality to make others to be made to feel badly about reporting hearing gunshots fired in their neighborhood.
I think these two words do it. Thanks. -
this board has more snitches-per-capita than the witness relocation program.
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young snitch wrote: this board has more snitches-per-capita than the witness relocation program.
I was just waiting for a response from you
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young snitch wrote: this board has more snitches-per-capita than the witness relocation program.
Don't hate...participate 8) -
Perhaps it was unclear what I mean about calling 311/911. All of this has been so clearly broken down, diassembled and then taken out of context. Of course when gunshots are fired, people should call the police. I never refuted that idea here at all. What I was saying is that if calls about a group of kids hanging out on a Saturday night until the wee hours is called in again and again and again, the cops become assholes with this assumed right to take people out for walking down the street somewhere something questionable had occured. It is a basic denial of civil rights, no matter who it is. It is unjust force. So, once again to clarify, it is a good idea to call about gunshots, but it isn't a good idea to always call about kids simply being kids on a corner, or a recreational hall playing loud music. Calling 311 seems like it everyone's favorite thing to do here. Broken glass on the street? Call 311. Baby crying too loud? Call 311. Don't like the color of paint on the building? Call 311. A sign on a window is crooked? Call 311. The BINGO game at the church is making too much of a racket? Call 311. Etc.
The idea was to brainstorm here about how to solve various things that affect various people on various levels.
I really do think the police handling of a man simply walking down the street is bullshit no matter where he is. And, for thed man to get angry and state his anger as it was about to happen again is also understandable. Period. -
i am in the camp of making those 311 & 911 calls
and i am under the impression that the 311 calls are important in terms of crime statistics that might help in getting a more visible police presence to areas that need it
and before we deconstruct that statement down to the color of my curtains (or my skin) i want to add the following:
a concerned individual gets behind ALL the problems of the community whether or not they feel particularly threatened by them
in this case, if excessive police force is a problem we address that as a group, along with the perceived notion that there has been an increase in firearm activity that might be a threat to ALL of our well being
(and for those who feel aligned closely with Crown Heights, the arson issue is a matter of concern for EVERYONE regardless of whether you own your home or pay above market rent)
all the problems in the community are all of our problems, addressing things as a group is the quickest way to both resolution and understanding. -
LeeHo wrote: What I was saying is that if calls about a group of kids hanging out on a Saturday night until the wee hours is called in again and again and again, the cops become assholes with this assumed right to take people out for walking down the street somewhere something questionable had occured.
I just don't see where you make this connection.
If cops are constantly responding to non-emergencies, wouldn't they get pissed at the people calling needlessly?
If cops are constantly being called needlessly, wouldn't they take each and every call less seriously, instead of more seriously?
Why is it unreasonable to think that the cops were on edge because bullets were flying through the air a few moments earlier as opposed to, well, because Mr and Mrs Whitey keep calling dispatch? If the cops had tackled someone in response to a noise complaint, it might lend a little more validity to your point, but as such... no. You're jumping to mighty big conclusions. -
LeeHo wrote: Perhaps it was unclear what I mean about calling 311/911...So, once again to clarify, it is a good idea to call about gunshots, but it isn't a good idea to always call about kids simply being kids on a corner, or a recreational hall playing loud music. Calling 311 seems like it everyone's favorite thing to do here. Broken glass on the street? Call 311. Baby crying too loud? Call 311. Don't like the color of paint on the building? Call 311. A sign on a window is crooked? Call 311. The BINGO game at the church is making too much of a racket? Call 311.
But that's exactly the purpose of 311. Its a way for constituents to reach their government to ask questions, make inquiries, report problems and make requests. Its for all those things that dont rise to the level of emergencies but which should be brought to the attention to someone, like streetlights that are out, potholes in streets, and noise. And whether you believe it or not, the folks posting on this blog are not the only people in the city calling about kids hanging on corners and making noise, or rats or bad businesses -
LeeHo wrote: What I was saying is that if calls about a group of kids hanging out on a Saturday night until the wee hours is called in again and again and again, the cops become assholes with this assumed right to take people out for walking down the street somewhere something questionable had occured.
So are you saying that people should only call in about every third (fifth, tenth, whatever) disturbance, or that they should magically know when other people have already called in about a given disturbance? -
homeowner wrote: [quote=LeeHo]Perhaps it was unclear what I mean about calling 311/911...So, once again to clarify, it is a good idea to call about gunshots, but it isn't a good idea to always call about kids simply being kids on a corner, or a recreational hall playing loud music. Calling 311 seems like it everyone's favorite thing to do here. Broken glass on the street? Call 311. Baby crying too loud? Call 311. Don't like the color of paint on the building? Call 311. A sign on a window is crooked? Call 311. The BINGO game at the church is making too much of a racket? Call 311.
But that's exactly the purpose of 311. Its a way for constituents to reach their government to ask questions, make inquiries, report problems and make requests. Its for all those things that dont rise to the level of emergencies but which should be brought to the attention to someone, like streetlights that are out, potholes in streets, and noise. And whether you believe it or not, the folks posting on this blog are not the only people in the city calling about kids hanging on corners and making noise, or rats or bad businesses
Homeowner, I guess the government has really educated you really well. I had a disgruntled teacher in a public school that told me something that I will never forget for the rest of my life. She posed the question, "why does the government pay for your education"? The answer? "to teach you the law". The 311 line is recorded on a database and when people complain, these statistics can leak and end up in the media and bring the value of your property down... So homeowner, your owned home might loose value... Anyone on this blog wouldn't mind making money off of the gentrification, but if you can't understand the community that exists and its ways, then people will deal with the escalating violence. Realize that a threat in small numbers is feeble compared to large numbers. People that live in this neighborhood have been here a long time, they have their ways and everyone on this blog should try and understand this. Ask your local neighbor about this.... -
djuoh wrote: [quote=homeowner][quote=LeeHo]Perhaps it was unclear what I mean about calling 311/911...So, once again to clarify, it is a good idea to call about gunshots, but it isn't a good idea to always call about kids simply being kids on a corner, or a recreational hall playing loud music. Calling 311 seems like it everyone's favorite thing to do here. Broken glass on the street? Call 311. Baby crying too loud? Call 311. Don't like the color of paint on the building? Call 311. A sign on a window is crooked? Call 311. The BINGO game at the church is making too much of a racket? Call 311.
But that's exactly the purpose of 311. Its a way for constituents to reach their government to ask questions, make inquiries, report problems and make requests. Its for all those things that dont rise to the level of emergencies but which should be brought to the attention to someone, like streetlights that are out, potholes in streets, and noise. And whether you believe it or not, the folks posting on this blog are not the only people in the city calling about kids hanging on corners and making noise, or rats or bad businesses
Homeowner, I guess the government has really educated you really well. I had a disgruntled teacher in a public school that told me something that I will never forget for the rest of my life. She posed the question, "why does the government pay for your education"? The answer? "to teach you the law". The 311 line is recorded on a database and when people complain, these statistics can leak and end up in the media and bring the value of your property down... So homeowner, your owned home might loose value... Anyone on this blog wouldn't mind making money off of the gentrification, but if you can't understand the community that exists and its ways, then people will deal with the escalating violence. Realize that a threat in small numbers is feeble compared to large numbers. People that live in this neighborhood have been here a long time, they have their ways and everyone on this blog should try and understand this. Ask your local neighbor about this....
okay, this makes no sense.
I offer myself up as a typical poster on this blog. I'm a single woman who owns her own home on Washington Ave. I figure, given the difference between my relative income and that of a couple's makes me vaguely (about as accurately as, say, LeeHo's theoretical neighborhood) comprable. in any case, I don't think calling the cops re: gunshots, fights, violence is a bad thing. I also don't think those things bring down the value of my property. -
djuoh wrote:
Why not go all the way and also mention preparing you to be a live meat export in times of war and a cheap cog in the military-industrial complex in times of peace?
Homeowner, I guess the government has really educated you really well. I had a disgruntled teacher in a public school that told me something that I will never forget for the rest of my life. She posed the question, "why does the government pay for your education"? The answer? "to teach you the law".djuoh wrote:
This sounds like short term thinking to me. Most homeowners don't plan to sell this year, and by increasing the use of 311 this year we can hope things get fixed and there'll be fewer calls needed next year and the year after. Allowing problems to fester sounds like a better way to erode values in the longer term.
The 311 line is recorded on a database and when people complain, these statistics can leak and end up in the media and bring the value of your property down... So homeowner, your owned home might loose value... -
Calling police in reference to Shots fired is not an over reaction, and responding officers stopping a male on the block is also not excessive show of force. Often that person being stopped is actually the shooter, usually with detailed descriptions provided from multiple 911 callers. Unfortunately many people dont come foward, or will remain anonymous leaving the police with no alternative to free the perpetrator. Cops patrolling arent running into gunfire to keep compstat figures down, but maybe to protect and serve the community in which they work. While 99% percent of the people run the opposite direction of gun shots these men and women put their lives on the line every day for complete strangers. Dont know too many people like that. I agree some issues should be handled without calling the police, but the woman who cant put her 9 month old baby to sleep because theres a group of loud kids drinking on her stoop all night, what should she do? Should she be forced to confront them? Or the elderly couple that has to navigate through thugs and blunt smoke just to get to their apartment, what should they do? Often situations such as these, do in fact escalate and can lead to some of the more serious calls you hear about. People have to understand that this has been going on for some time now, this happens every night in the city, you might hear about it every once in awhile in the crime blotter of the NY Post, but the reality is, that this is not newsworthy with the 77 pct ringing in 18 homicides for 2006 I'm happy to see cops doing their job without fear of being ridiculed by do nothing loud mouths wearing "Stop Snitchin" T shirts!
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i understand what leeho is getting at here. the sole solution that everyone seems to offer for any neighborhood inconvenience is calling the police or 311. we live in a densely populated area, not the suburbs. there's going to be noise, there's going to be people hanging out outside, there's going to be an occasional scuffle. it's called living in a city. if people are that intolerant of humanity around them, move the fuck to westchester. not only are cops obnoxious pricks who use any excuse to hassle young minorities, they probably have more important things to do than make sure a couple loud voices don't disrupt your beauty sleep.
stop snitching, you snitchy little snitches. -
A massive biggup to Young Snitch. If the city is just too hard for all of you, with its noise, and bullets, and Black people, then be gone. And to you, Sterling 2000, with your no-nonsense approach to life, I challenge you to a drink where you can bestow upon me whatever wisdom you have. Name a day. Name a time. Name a bar. I will be there.
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alafairnadia wrote: [quote=djuoh][quote=homeowner][quote=LeeHo]Perhaps it was unclear what I mean about calling 311/911...So, once again to clarify, it is a good idea to call about gunshots, but it isn't a good idea to always call about kids simply being kids on a corner, or a recreational hall playing loud music. Calling 311 seems like it everyone's favorite thing to do here. Broken glass on the street? Call 311. Baby crying too loud? Call 311. Don't like the color of paint on the building? Call 311. A sign on a window is crooked? Call 311. The BINGO game at the church is making too much of a racket? Call 311.
But that's exactly the purpose of 311. Its a way for constituents to reach their government to ask questions, make inquiries, report problems and make requests. Its for all those things that dont rise to the level of emergencies but which should be brought to the attention to someone, like streetlights that are out, potholes in streets, and noise. And whether you believe it or not, the folks posting on this blog are not the only people in the city calling about kids hanging on corners and making noise, or rats or bad businesses
Homeowner, I guess the government has really educated you really well. I had a disgruntled teacher in a public school that told me something that I will never forget for the rest of my life. She posed the question, "why does the government pay for your education"? The answer? "to teach you the law". The 311 line is recorded on a database and when people complain, these statistics can leak and end up in the media and bring the value of your property down... So homeowner, your owned home might loose value... Anyone on this blog wouldn't mind making money off of the gentrification, but if you can't understand the community that exists and its ways, then people will deal with the escalating violence. Realize that a threat in small numbers is feeble compared to large numbers. People that live in this neighborhood have been here a long time, they have their ways and everyone on this blog should try and understand this. Ask your local neighbor about this....
okay, this makes no sense.
I offer myself up as a typical poster on this blog. I'm a single woman who owns her own home on Washington Ave. I figure, given the difference between my relative income and that of a couple's makes me vaguely (about as accurately as, say, LeeHo's theoretical neighborhood) comprable. in any case, I don't think calling the cops re: gunshots, fights, violence is a bad thing. I also don't think those things bring down the value of my property.
Alafairnadia I didn't expect it to make any sense to you. Like the neighborhood and this blog, you are the mayor.
I'm sure that people want to live in Prospect Heights knowing that we report more violence than the media ever will. Hell sign me up for that brownstone for 1.2 million... -
there's going to be noise, there's going to be people hanging out outside, there's going to be an occasional scuffle.
And you put gunshots in that category too?
WHat about assault and rape? Is it okay to call the cops then or should we hold off?Hey, FYI to both of you: I aint goin' anywhere. This is MY neighborhood. And if you dont like it - YOU can leave. I can afford to live here and have just as much right to be here.
(BTW: Does this excahnge count as an E-Genticonfrontation? Just curious)
If I see issues, including quality of life problems, I'll use my judgement, but I am making the call. AND If you dont like it that. YOU are welcome to move.
Do either of you have advice or wisdom for the person who fired off the GUNSHOTS? Who knows, maybe they read the posts here.
C'mon, get real. And believe me when I tell you, I NEED my beauty rest and you dont want to see me when I dont have it.
Here is my plan: I stay and people who break the law get the cops called on them as long as I am here. Is it a Deal?
And Who said anything about Black people and minorities? Some of us posting her ARE Black people and/or minorities - and women- and we hate getting shot too.Or am I not keeping it real by admitting that?
Oh and BTW: The number one group affected by violent crimes here in Brooklyn are BLACK PEOPLE. I gotta go, I just heard a car alarm and I need to call 311! Later. -
"Why not go all the way and also mention preparing you to be a live meat export in times of war and a cheap cog in the military-industrial complex in times of peace?"
Where the hell is this coming from? Are starting to smoke crack? You could fit right in...
"This sounds like short term thinking to me. Most homeowners don't plan to sell this year, and by increasing the use of 311 this year we can hope things get fixed and there'll be fewer calls needed next year and the year after. Allowing problems to fester sounds like a better way to erode values in the longer term."
Are you an economist and real estate annalist? So all the gunfire and crime will be stopped by these bloggers and then there is going to be an extensive purging of property after the neighborhood is "safe"?!?! Thats hilarious.
Are you an economist and real estate analysist? So all the gunfire and crime will be stopped by these bloggers and then there is going to be an extensive purging of property after the neighborhood is "safe"?!?! Thats hillarious. -
djuoh wrote: Hell sign me up for that brownstone for 1.2 million...
At 1.2 million West of Washington, your bid would probably be rejected (unless it's a burnt shell). -
Barnable wrote: Black people
Again, the ethnicities of the cops, the individual who was tackled and various posters herein have never been established. You and others here continue to make assumptions based on your own ideological bents.Barnable wrote: your no-nonsense approach to life
Gunshots, petty or not-so-petty street crime and incessant noise in any environment is nonsense, and people who accept these things as just part of city life are nonsensically aiding in perpetuating these social ills. -
djuoh wrote: [quote=homeowner][quote=LeeHo]Perhaps it was unclear what I mean about calling 311/911...So, once again to clarify, it is a good idea to call about gunshots, but it isn't a good idea to always call about kids simply being kids on a corner, or a recreational hall playing loud music. Calling 311 seems like it everyone's favorite thing to do here. Broken glass on the street? Call 311. Baby crying too loud? Call 311. Don't like the color of paint on the building? Call 311. A sign on a window is crooked? Call 311. The BINGO game at the church is making too much of a racket? Call 311.
But that's exactly the purpose of 311. Its a way for constituents to reach their government to ask questions, make inquiries, report problems and make requests. Its for all those things that dont rise to the level of emergencies but which should be brought to the attention to someone, like streetlights that are out, potholes in streets, and noise. And whether you believe it or not, the folks posting on this blog are not the only people in the city calling about kids hanging on corners and making noise, or rats or bad businesses
Homeowner, I guess the government has really educated you really well. I had a disgruntled teacher in a public school that told me something that I will never forget for the rest of my life. She posed the question, "why does the government pay for your education"? The answer? "to teach you the law". The 311 line is recorded on a database and when people complain, these statistics can leak and end up in the media and bring the value of your property down... So homeowner, your owned home might loose value... Anyone on this blog wouldn't mind making money off of the gentrification, but if you can't understand the community that exists and its ways, then people will deal with the escalating violence. Realize that a threat in small numbers is feeble compared to large numbers. People that live in this neighborhood have been here a long time, they have their ways and everyone on this blog should try and understand this. Ask your local neighbor about this....
Well, I was born less than one mile from where I currently live, and have lived in various homes within walking distance since then so I think I know a little about the neighborhood. I don't need to ask folks about things I've seen my entire life. For example, I know that when I was fourteen I would never have thought it was acceptable to open my neighbors gate, go on their stairs and light up a blunt, but that happens on my block. I know that the guys who sold drugs when I was young made a habit of being discreet and NOT encouraging hanging out by customers near their spots. They considered it to be bad for business.
My reasons for living here have nothing with wanting to turn this neighborhood into the suburbs. I'd just like it to be the neighborhood I grew up in. One where there was respect for people, and an understanding that your thing wasn't necessarily everyone else's thing. You didn't use the steps of the church as a place to drink during the week and you did keep it down because the guy downstairs worked nights and was trying to sleep during the afternoon. That level of respect is not something that is limited to white folks from outside this neighborhood and the implications that you and young snitch make that somehow everyone who grew up here is okay with being disrespected and inconvenienced in their own homes is absolutely at odds with how I was raised. -
The problem is that we do tolerate this type of behavior, thats why the guy who politely asks someone to lower their radio gets cursed out or beat up. In the big city there will always be noise, does that mean that gives people the right to infringe on the sanctity of others? Thats why when someone gets shot, noone comes foward not even the victim. This vicious cycle only serves to perpetuate the violence in our community. With youths taking matters into their own hands, offen leaving innocent bystanders to feel their wrath. At what point do we draw the line . Lets stand by and watch our women get raped. Lets watch the elderly getted mugged. Let them fire shots from rooftops into peoples windows. Let them follow and menace us til we give them money. Let them break into our cars . Let them Rob our stores. Let them sell drugs on our corners. That bullet wont hit me or my kids. Not until this type of thing hits home do we demand something be done! In the mean type i will mock those that actually care about their neighborhood and curse the police for not doing thier job, and if one of em asks me if i saw sumptin, Yo fuck da Po Po I AINT SNITCHIN!!!!!
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king without a crown = master of hysterical hyperbole.
first off, let's get it straight: decades of brutal and discriminatory law enforcement are the reasons that minority communities have a negative view towards police. cops are meatheaded occupiers from staten island who view the people they're paid to protect as enemies in the proverbial war on crime. so the idea of hollering for the involvment of the military wing of the status quo every time a couple kids smoke weed on the porch or loiter loudly on a corner is just disgusting. and the fact that swine roll through and bust kids' chops for having a dimebag or open beer or happening to be standing there is the reason they don't get any cooperation when they try solve a real crime.
no one is saying no one should call the cops when an elderly person is being mugged or a woman is being raped. but should they be allerted to every noise violation, every tussle on the corner, every kid smoking an el? fuck and no.
edit: when you sick the cops on people for stupid little infractions, you're only making it less likely that the members of the community most likely to be able to help out in preventing/solving a serious crime won't want to talk to them. -
sterling2000 wrote: [quote=Barnable]Black people
Again, the ethnicities of the cops, the individual who was tackled and various posters herein have never been established. You and others here continue to make assumptions based on your own ideological bents.Barnable wrote: your no-nonsense approach to life
Gunshots, petty or not-so-petty street crime and incessant noise in any environment is nonsense, and people who accept these things as just part of city life are nonsensically aiding in perpetuating these social ills.
I read your response as a NO on the drink tip. -
young snitch wrote: cops are meatheaded occupiers from staten island
Again, an over-generalization. I know just three NYPD cops personally - one is a black guy who lives in Harlem (actually a detective), another is a black guy who is from the Bronx but recently located to LI, and the third is an asian kid from Brooklyn currently walking the beat in Bed Stuy.young snitch wrote: and the fact that swine roll through and bust kids' chops for having a dimebag or open beer or happening to be standing there is the reason they don't get any cooperation when they try solve a real crime.
I'm not a lawyer, but the last I checked, possession of narcotics or open alcohol containers on the street were real crimes (both of which I have partaken of with some frequency knowing full well if a cop was to encounter me, I would be on the wrong end of the system). However, busting people for standing is truly a violation of one's rights and should be reported to the authorities.
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