SPLIT TOPIC: SP redux

There are a zillion ways to address horror-story restaurant experiences - yelp as mentioned, menupages, DOH, Eater, Grub Street, dozens of restaurant review sites, local newspapers and, and, direct conversations and letters to the owners of the restaurant.

Almost all of those are better than this board and to continue to mourn the deletion of posts from months or years ago is a waste of energy.

And besides, if whatever conditions one experienced in the horror-story scenario were to have persisted does anyone believe that SP would be thriving as it does today?

Bravo to whomever split off this thread!

One thing that happened before on the now banned SP thread was that one known person (yes, it does make a difference around here) had a bad experience that was totally believable and discussable and fine on the board, but then a couple other newly registered and never to be heard from again voices chimed in with really outrageous stories that didn't seem so believable and the whole thing got out of hand and overshadowed what might have been a simple legit discussion of a bad service issue at an otherwise great restaurant.

example:
PITU: ouch, my hand hurts
NEWBIE ONE: pitu's hand was bit off by a bear who then vomited it under my table at SP

Garfunky wrote:
as i recall the "dont use this car service , they hire rapists" thread was allowed to stay up because , "there is no evidence to the contrary"

the fact that there was no evidence to back up the initial statement ?
well, that didnt matter.

good point

sweet tea wrote: as for wasting of time, LTT, no one with as many posts as either of us has is in any position to propound on that topic.

Couldn't agree with you more

But I said "waste of energy" not "time." :roll:

Livetotravel wrote: [quote=eggcream][quote=Livetotravel]My wife and I went last night for dinner - SP was booming - jammed packed. We had a table for 2 near the the bar - My wife had the baby arugula salad with fresh cranberry beans, red onions and parmegiano reggiano cheese followed by a super succulent and well spiced roasted chicken that came with spoon bread, roasted squash and tomatoes. I had the short rib "slider" with quail egg on a brioche bun for starters and an unbelievably good, perfectly cooked medium rare hangar steak sauced with a brandy/peppercorn reduction. We each had two glasses of wine, Riesling for my wife and a Barbera D'alta for me. We finished the evening by sharing a killer chocolate brioche pudding with caramel ice cream. The evening was unrushed, the service perfect and the food divine. SPC is turning out some of the best food and most enjoyable dining experiences in the 'hood.

are they mailing your check......

So unclever as to not deserve response - but, since I'm killing time waiting for the playoff games...

What I hate about your response is the impugning of my character that your feeble attempt makes. You don't know me from Adam, dude. So back off with the cheap shots. I take my knowledge of restaurants and food very seriously as do many other people, restaurants and sites in this town.

And your comment also exposes your complete ignorance of how the restaurant PR game works also - as if they would need to pay me for making comments on this site - this is hardly the default site for food/restaurant criticism!

I'm merely offering a counterpoint. And I'm suggesting that continuing to harp on whatever happened at SP is pointless. It a totally win-less situation at this point. And saying that something horrible happened without any tangible evidence could appear like harassment. If it were me, the conversation would have happen first with the owners, probably both orally and in writing and if I was left without a sense of mutual understanding I might have offered the letter and conversation up as proof of my claim.

Lighten up "dude", it's called humor.

The fabled SP post was mine. I won't go back. If you must have details, feel free to PM me. We've collectively decided that the details won't be posted on this board.

For the record, Chowhound, Citysearch, and nearly every other site that accepts restaurant reviews employ automated post "cleansing" for prohibited terms and complaints. What was done here is not out of the ordinary, even though I may not be totally happy with the outcome.

sweet tea wrote: [quote=eatshoplocal]but a friend telling us about something really nasty that went down at a neighborhood business and the business's entirely inadequate response to what happened.........


is called gossip.

yep. that's basically what a board like this is, in case you thought everything else on the site was sourced with journalistic precision, painstakingly fact-checked, and stripped of all bias. caveat lector, as i think most reasonable people assume on the ol' interweb.


thats a new one on me,
ive never heard gossip equated with one person standing on a podium and shouting into a PA system so that thousands may hear their lies.
i thought such people were generally called rabble rousers.
(or politicians )

in any event, when you tell a friend something, even if its horrible and even if its wrong, its one person and its still hearsay.

when you put it in writing , make it instantly and permanantly accessible to anyone on the planet , and thus injure someones business or person, you have to back it up , OR there are consequences.

if this were not the case , various threads would not have been edited when lawyers demanded.

Garfunky wrote: [quote=sweet tea][quote=eatshoplocal]but a friend telling us about something really nasty that went down at a neighborhood business and the business's entirely inadequate response to what happened.........


is called gossip.

yep. that's basically what a board like this is, in case you thought everything else on the site was sourced with journalistic precision, painstakingly fact-checked, and stripped of all bias. caveat lector, as i think most reasonable people assume on the ol' interweb.


thats a new one on me,
ive never heard gossip equated with one person standing on a podium and shouting into a PA system so that thousands may hear their lies.
i thought such people were generally called rabble rousers.
(or politicians )

in any event, when you tell a friend something, even if its horrible and even if its wrong, its one person and its still hearsay.

when you put it in writing , make it instantly and permanantly accessible to anyone on the planet , and thus injure someones business or person, you have to back it up , OR there are consequences.

if this were not the case , various threads would not have been edited when lawyers demanded.
That's a bad analogy. This is a neighborhood message board and really is the equivalent of stoop gossip. This forum is simply an easy way for people in the neighborhood to share information about things happening in the neighborhood. It's not a captive audience in front of a blaring PA system, nor or we actively broadcasting into people's homes around the world. The only people who will read what's posted here are people who are actively looking for this information.
And don't even pretend that the fact that the threads were edited has anything to do with the merits of the demands.

Carnivore wrote: That's a bad analogy. This is a neighborhood message board and really is the equivalent of stoop gossip. This forum is simply an easy way for people in the neighborhood to share information about things happening in the neighborhood. It's not a captive audience in front of a blaring PA system, nor or we actively broadcasting into people's homes around the world. The only people who will read what's posted here are people who are actively looking for this information.

And don't even pretend that the fact that the threads were edited has anything to do with the merits of the demands.

no one is forced to buy the ny times or watch cnn either.

i understand why you make the stoop gossip analogy.
you want that to be the vibe. great concept. truly !

its just incorrect.
this is not a group email limited to friends.

someone in california or china cant merely tune in to the conversation on my stoop.

and while the only people reading it are those who have some interest in park slope.
anyone can sign in.

i dont pretend.

i firmly believe that the threat of legal action resulted in post edit.
were there no fear of losing, there would be no need to comply.

naivete about the legal system ?

youre the one condoning guilty until proven innocent.

if youd care to answer ANY of my very reasonable points about the topic itself, as opposed to conjuring adjectives and redirecting the focus,
i would love to hear one.

but then, theres usually a reason people do that huh ?

Garfunky wrote: naivete about the legal system ?

youre the one condoning guilty until proven innocent.

if youd care to answer ANY of my very reasonable points about the topic itself, as opposed to conjuring adjectives and redirecting the focus,
i would love to hear one.

but then, theres usually a reason people do that huh ?

No one's on trial here, so "guilty until proven innocent" is a straw man argument. What I'm condoning is for people to be able to share their experiences without censorship.