Election 2008: So is Hillary Clinton finished?

so there's

1. momentum
2. the fact that pennsylvania, basically an extension of ohio politically, is next

i don't think hillary subscribes to that playbook. do you?

I feel bad for my kid - this means she's going to be subjected to another 7 weeks of 7 year-olds talking about politics.

oh, burnnnnnnn

obama has a nice smile

mr. met wrote:

I feel bad for my kid - this means she's going to be subjected to another 7 weeks of 7 year-olds talking about politics.

oh, burnnnnnnn

Yeah, it sounds stupid, but this Clinton/Obama divide has people all screwed up - apparently they fill their kids up with hate for the other candidate and send them off to school to continue the good fight, with predictable results. My parents told me it was none of my G.D. business who they voted for (which ended my campaign for Jummuh Carter, lol pretty fast) and they didn't discuss politics in front of me until I was older. That's pretty much my policy.

Anyhow, once the matter is decided they can all start hating the same person and be friends again.

sprite wrote: [quote=Drano][quote=mr. met]

I feel bad for my kid - this means she's going to be subjected to another 7 weeks of 7 year-olds talking about politics.

oh, burnnnnnnn

Yeah, it sounds stupid, but this Clinton/Obama divide has people all screwed up - apparently they fill their kids up with hate for the other candidate and send them off to school to continue the good fight, with predictable results.
Wow. That's crazy - and sad.

Maybe I was hasty. Maybe it doesn't go down like that - maybe the kids just take what their parents tell them (or what they overhear) and filter it through a layer of simplicity and kid intensity that comes off as a little unpleasant. I don't know. I do know that my kid comes home from school telling me that she's had it with politics and that all anyone does in their free time is argue.

You know, now that I think about it, I should tell her to use her power as an independent swing "voter" to score some concessions...Ring Dings and the like.

Livetotravel wrote: There is simply no argument that Hillary gets the worst treatment by the media - here's a must read post from Media Matters that fairly sums it up...

http://mediamatters.org/items/200712310001

hillary helped with the start up of media matters

mr. met wrote: i just said he was less qualified to be president.

Please explain.

Hah, yes, we are not supposed to mention that he has 8 prior years of elected legislative government experience in the Illinois State Senate before legitimately advancing to become U.S. Senator of his own state (instead of parachuting out of the White House to a cozy carpetbagging position in some unrelated state by mere grace of one's longtime crony connections).

That would be unfair to mention.

***edited to add:

Fact is, neither are particularly long on experience. It is completely [but par for the course, it seems...] disingenuous of her to claim otherwise.

Obama has focused on other extremely compelling qualities to advance his cause.

But Clinton has made these [questionable, at best...] claims her centerpiece, as if that's all she's got.

Sooooo ridiculously short-sighted, especially in light of the larger battle looming ahead, where McCain's decades of additional foreign policy, military and legislative experience eats her claims for breakfast.

True for his initial 1996 election, but he was re-elected thereafter in both the 1998 and 2002 elections, leaving in 2004 only upon his election to US Senate.

Yeah, it is really amazing what initial events result in opportunities for others to win their first elections. I guess the proof in the pudding is how well they do once in office.

After all, Bill Clinton was an unknown in 1992 before several events played out that cleared the field of other major names and enabled him to kick into gear after Super Tuesday and run through to the Democratic nomination.

But he certainly had no problems in 1996. Hah, *yet,* anyway.

In the bigger scheme of things, that's often the case for State [legislature] Senators nationwide.

Most of the electorate probably can't name theirs, offhand.

Hah, no worries, not taken that way. Was actually wondering to myself who outside of a 1 mile radius of Prospect Park might be aware of Eric Adams, through no fault of his own, just the sheer density of districts and other reps.

Obscurity in numbers, I guess.

Definitely very lucky when circumstances align (and or implode) allowing for a State Senator to move up from the minor leagues.

And I don't discredit Clinton for having won it (as she was up against pre-91ul1ani Giuliani and and Rick Lazio), but she did come in with the full anointment of powerful NY Dems such as Moynihan himself and other massive logistical and funding-heavy connections.

In fact, the very reason why Clinton was the chosen one for NY dems was because (unlike other regional Dems interested) she alone had the star power to beat Giuliani in a key Democrat-heavy state, and party leaders really needed to stave off losing a key Senate seat to the Republicans.

It wasn't that she had any actual elected experience for the US Senate of all places, just that she had the celebrity and name recognition to beat the extremely-well-known Giuliani (who -- speaking of how things implode -- had to bow out to Lazio due to prostate cancer and other marital and extra-marital affairs issues).

Lazio was a conservative from Long Island, spent a huge sum of money and never really connected with NY City or upstate voters like Giuliani was favored to (pre-life-implosion), so voila...Clinton cleaned up.

Lots of crazy stories out there. Heck, CA got The Gipper and the Guvernator for Governors, as did MN with Jesse The Body Ventura, for that matter.

Strange things happen out there.

jeffrey wrote:
mr. met wrote:
i just said he was less qualified to be president.


Please explain.

He was never married to the President. And he's been in the Senate for a few years less.

i personally think that spending 8 years in the white house could only make you more prepared to be president. maybe that's crazy.


"Actually, I said the better team wins and/or finds a way to win..."

haha, exactly...and the better team is not the underdog. are you still sticking by your assertion that the better team always wins in sports?

alafairnadia wrote: and let's not forget that when she did try to take a leadership role of some form, she got socked in the face (health care reform - something obama could give a fuck about). she can take the hits. obama can barely deal with this nafta thing. and, haha buddy, that shit happening to you when texas and ohio were on the table? LOL. dipshit.

What's with the animosity? If anyone deserves to be called dipshit, i'd say it's Hillary for her two-faced Jeckyl-Hyde breakdown last week. She's gone pretty negative and desperate, which essentially crystalized Obama's platform that was mere rhetoric months ago: change from the same old games in Washington. Obama could give a fuck about health-care? At this point it makes a lot more sense to question Clinton's sincerity and integrity, given her behavior, than it is to doubt Obama's, who's been cool, steady, and consistent in his message and tactics during this incredible, pressure-packed campaign. Furthermore, is a candidate who says "i'm honored to be here with Barack Obama" one day, and "shame on you, Barack Obama" two days later really a calm, reasoned voice you want answering the proverbial 3am phone call? Shame on you, Hillary. Actions DO speak louder than words. She better check herself.

Clinton went from criticizing the Republican playbook to adopting it.

Clinton is attempting to battle confidence and hope with cynicism and fear; and in doing so increasingly echoes scare tactics used by the Republicans against all Democrats, including Clinton herself.

Her "It's 3:00 am" ad ad is reminiscent of those used by Mr. 9/11 himself, Rudy Giuliani:

"It's 3 a.m. and your children are safe and asleep. But there's a phone in the White House and it’s ringing. Something's happening in the world. Your vote will decide who answers that call, whether it's someone who already knows the world's leaders, knows the military - someone tested and ready to lead in a dangerous world. It's 3 a.m. and your children are safe and asleep. Who do you want answering the phone?"

Rudy ran that ad - and now Hil loves it and steals.

Makes you proud to be a 'merican, right.

Shit - she and her paid assassins will sink to anything to win this.