South of EP: The church at Rogers between Carrol and Crown is torn down. Residential on the way
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We should add the upscale wine store at Rogers and Lincoln to the list of businesses that anticipated a growing customer base, but now will get a -um- different one.
All of these businesses are going to hope the former Sea Crest sites and the former BBG building are built and filled quickly.
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And the Bedford Union Armory
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"And I just don't understand why the City would not exploit this weakness and drive a hard bargain requiring the landlord to, for example, have to accept Section 8 or LINC vouchers for five years or something like that for families transitioning out of DHS. "
Rent subsidies (like those you describe) do not have court decisions which mandate they be made available.
Shelter has such mandates.
The city is at risk of violating them... -
It's really tragic. And those of us who moved in the past few years, also tolerating current conditions, hoping they'd one day get better are trapped. There would be no way to sell and get out without taking a hit on your real estate investment.
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We should be careful not to exaggerate the potential impact.
...many family shelters exist in NYC and you may walk by them and not even realize they are there.
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Agree that it's a very emotional response and it may not be that obvious aesthetically but it cannot help enhance perception of the area, real estate values, investment in new businesses, for Crown Heights to be in the news daily for being "the place where they put homeless shelters."
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Yeah, I get the impact of the Callahan decree...but isn't one of the big problems with why we have such a big homeless population: Gentrification/rising rents/stagnant wages meets lack of housing manageable for people/families/couples with minimum wage jobs? And moving people out of the shelter system quickly means that there are less people in the system? Seems like so much expense to provide temporary shelter, rather than move people into apartments they can manage to pay for.
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I don't mean to invalidate you, but bemoaning being "trapped" on a real estate investment you chose and have the liberty and financial freedom to leave sounds a little insensitive compared to shelter residents likely to get shuffled around as a case number.jong said:It's really tragic. And those of us who moved in the past few years, also tolerating current conditions, hoping they'd one day get better are trapped. There would be no way to sell and get out without taking a hit on your real estate investment.If there's anyone who should complain it should be long-term stabilized renters, they stand the most risk of not only being evicted and becoming a part of this system, but they are also most likely to get "trapped" in a home as rents continue to soar and the costs of relocation within the neighborhood become increasingly unfeasible. -
@crownheightster
The sad part of rent vouchers for homeless people is that they cause other people to be homeless.
The vouchers pay slightly more than the average poor person can afford, which causes landlords to give holders a preference and boot the present tenants.
...which end up in shelter.
The goal is to create more housing, not play musical chairs.
Note, getting rid of poor people seems to not be an ethical or feasible goal. Let's not try to pursue it. Migration to less expensive localities will happen slowly and "naturally" -
@whynot...so everything is just f-ed? Everything about the whole thing seems so unfair! I'd next recommend building more NYCHA...but I think the funding for that dried up and there is either lack of money or lack of political will to build more public housing
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It may sound cruel, but very few people can live where they want.
We all settle for a neighborhood and "house" that is within our means.
NYC is merely a large neighborhood and many people who want to live here (or continue to live here) won't be able to.
Government is not going to change this reality. -
Good point @whynot_31. I was born in Crown Heights. We lived in Park Slope for years. We really wanted to stay in Park Slope. We could not afford to buy in Park Slope. We bought in Crown Heights a few years ago.
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Based on what I have read, I would prefer Fiji, surrounded by near naked 19 year old women.
However, I live here, surrounded by you.
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Nothing about that is cruel, @whynot_31.whynot_31 said:It may sound cruel, but very few people can live where they want. We all settle for a neighborhood and "house" that is within our means. NYC is merely a large neighborhood and many people who want to live here (or continue to live here) won't be able to. Government is not going to change this reality.Those on the other end of the deal can point to the depressing realities of their plight as well. They work hard to earn and then are forced to give portions of their earnings to give others living in the country's most expensive what they themselves cannot afford. In the process, they mitigate the housing supply and make their own lives that much more expensive. The entire cycle or process is cruel - to everyone, really. -
I perceive myself as doing quite well in it.
...or perhaps despite it?
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Protest about it tmrw at 11am in front of the building. Let's turn this into affordable housing, not a shelter!!!!
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Has anyone considered contacting the lawyer who got an temporary injunction to stop the Bergen street shelter? CH already has more than it's fair share of shelters and NY city law requires that shelters are fairly spreadout across neighborhoods, which was the basis for the Bergen street shelter being halted (at least temporarily).
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Who is organizing? Mailing list?yesbrooklyn said:Protest about it tmrw at 11am in front of the building. Let's turn this into affordable housing, not a shelter!!!! -
I am seeing a lot of people mention the Fair Share document, but am not sure how much people understand it.
https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/planning/download/pdf/applicants/applicant-portal/fair_share_analysis_description.pdf -
Doesn't Samaritan Village have a terrible reputation?
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And doesn't Samaritan Village specialize in addiction treatment or rehab?
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Past financial audits have indicated some problems, but that isn't unusual for mid size nonprofits.A pretty weak pool of applicants responds to DHS's open ended RFP for shelter provision:
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They operate a wide variety of programs, including shelters.crownheightster said:And doesn't Samaritan Village specialize in addiction treatment or rehab?
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Block assocation pushing for affordable housing and not a shelter.
https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20170331/crown-heights/267-rogers-ave-shelter-low-income-housing-crown-street-laurie-cumbo?utm_source=Brooklyn&utm_campaign=4312eeac9d-Mailchimp-NYC&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_7260a5da5b-4312eeac9d-138193341 -
This is a human rights issue. Where do people want these families to go? Why is the street a better place for them? People who have no address or residence have severe difficulty finding employment. People who have no home are more likely to be victims of violence. Turning away families who may have an opportunity to better their lives is a social and economic injustice.
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Talking to people on the street, there was a huge uproar when this lot was being built as market-rate housing because it would be gentrifying and puhsing long time residents out, then going to the community meeting the whole script changed and everyone was demanding that this be market rate housing because it would hurt their property values and ruin the neighborhood.When push comes to shove there will be a shelter here, probably for 10+ years, but I don't see why no one can see the forest for the trees and organize to demand the supplemental community services that will serve the homeless in our over-saturated neighborhood as well as the wider community, like demanding additional after-school programs, or recreation, or health and social service centers.
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The point isn't whether homeless people should be given housing or forced to live on the streets. I think most people agree it's better for everyone with the homeless being in shelters. The question is where those shelters should be located and it's completely unjust to have poorer neighborhoods be the only place where these shelters are being placed.
Why aren't there shelters being put in to Brooklyn Heights/Cobble Hill etc while several are slated to go into poorer more racially diverse neighborhoods? One could say there is greater need in these neighborhoods, but that is nonsensical when homeless people by definition don't live anywhere. I assume the homeless currently living on the streets in CH would be more than happy to live in a shelter in park slope or the like. And if they object to "moving" to another neighborhood, as the saying goes, beggars can't be choosers. -
@rick656 you also assume that these people never had a home and are purely transient. It's unfortunate, but because the neighborhood here has such a low AMI and is still fairly working class, there far more people at risk of becoming homeless than on the other side or in Brooklyn Heights.
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