Dog Adoption Agency's Pit Bull Bit Me

stacey

Flexichick wrote:

The group you are referring to is Kensignton Kitties. They are fabulous and I have two teeny babies in my house now being plumped up for adoption.

And your big babies allow this?

florp

stacey wrote: [quote=Flexichick]

The group you are referring to is Kensignton Kitties. They are fabulous and I have two teeny babies in my house now being plumped up for adoption.

And your big babies allow this?

The big babies are not allowed in the office where the munchkins are isolated. There was some under the door attempts at touching, but then my big babies kinda went "eh. whatever" and all is normal again.

I'll post picture later. They're adorable and will be adoptable shortly

metalnyc

petsitter07 wrote: It’s not the dogs that cause harm, it’s the people.

it's my second amendment right to carry a loaded pitbull.

filmlover44

petsitter07 wrote: It’s not the dogs that cause harm, it’s the people.

Everyone that has the adoption events are trying to save the animals from being put to death.

Are you nuts? One thing that drives me batty are people who humanize animals, like someone I know who adopted a German Shepherd who happened to be pretty ill and left it alone in her apartment with her bunny rabbits and their open cage in the living room.

You can imagine the hilarity that ensued when the German Shepherd got better.

If you don't understand dogs you have no business owning one or rescuing them or adopting them out, and that goes triple for "working" dogs.

filmlover44

whynot_31 wrote: there is no licensing for Laurie. Rescue groups are completely unregulated. Most don't even have non-profit status.

They are driven by the belief that no dog should ever be put down.

Given the problems with supply (too many dogs looking for a home) and demand (not enough homes looking for a dog) ...some dogs will end up having to be put down.

Their inability to accept this fact, likely prohibits them from focusing on offering the most adoptable dogs to the public. So, they try to get even the meanest dogs adopted, which likely plays a role in this incident.

...nobody likes to see a dog be put down, but until people start spaying their dogs it has to happen. ...if you tell me I'm a dog hater, I'll have my dog lick you.

Sounds as though the ASPCA should be called if they are letting dogs bite people and are keeping cats in inhumane conditions. I've never witnessed any of this myself but if it's true, then something should be done about it.

whynot_31

The ASPCA is called on these groups on a regular basis. When you hear of the ASPCA taking in a large number of dogs and cats at once, it is often because the owner operates under the following logic: No, I can't take care of all of these cats/dogs, but it is better than them being put down.

They convince themselves that the animals have some chance of being rehabilitated and adopted. They convince themselves that the city is evil, etc.

I'm convinced that the groups attract a fringe element, one that is desperate to save animals ...in the worst case scenario they are willing to lie to get an animal adopted, under the logic that the adoption fee will then allow them to rescue more animals.

I am going to get so much email stating that not all rescue groups are like this ....let me say up front "not all rescue groups are like this".

courtneybleier

Ok. This has to be settled.

I am the girl that was holding the pit bull that bit you, wherever you say he did. Just to clarify, i was sitting up against the fence with the pit on a 1 foot leash. You walked RIGHT infront of us with a bag of food, with no intention of stopping. We NEVER said it was your fault. We said "thats most likely why he bit you". Clearly you're neurotic because you cant even tell the story correctly. How can you say we "stalled" getting the instructor hoping you would walk away. ARE YOU IN OUR HEADS? DID WE SAY WE WANTED YOU TO WALK AWAY? How dare you put words in our mouths! My aunt was GETTING FOOD. We called her ASAP for you! So stop your lying, and get over it. Youre very rude, and cold-hearted. To take money that was DONATED to us, is so insensitive i cant even tell you. You say you love dogs as much as the next guy, so then why did you take money from our donation bucket?

We never said it was our "sweetest dog". We said she was sweet. I caught you looking at me kissing and getting kissed and playing with the dog by Laurie's car, RIGHT AFTER the "attack". She smelled food, and you walked right infront of her. It is NO ONES fault, we NEVER pointed a finger. Youre stating that we told you it was your own fault, well you are either mistaken or dont remember the situation correctly.

Please dont try to make this sound worse than it really is, your pants were bit, the dog never broke skin. You werent even bleeding. And i am not trying to intentionally make light of the situation, but it really, and truly was NOT a big deal. The dog is a puppy, and puppies bite. YOURE FINE.


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booklaw

You are a public menace, and you and your colleagues should be arrested for exposing the public to dangerous animals. Puppies who bite hard enough to tear fabric should be muzzled, in cages, or just put down.

The fact that money was donated to you does not insulate it or you from damages incurred by dangerous animals in your care.

I love dogs, in spite of the fact that I nearly lost my thumb to a dog bite many years ago. I still carry a prominent scar.
That bite was due to my own stupidity in getting in between two dogs doing their best to kill one another, i.e. trying to stop the fight so as to protect my friend's dog.

In this instance your puppy bit someone doing nothing more terrible than walking down the street. That person could just as easily have been a three year old child holding an ice cream cone.

The puppy's bite was not "no one's fault". It was your fault, for creating a dangerous situation by allowing an aggressive puppy to be within biting reach of passers-by.

The fact that you love dogs does not justify exposing people to the risk of being bit.

anastasia beaverhausen

Well, that's settled. Between the two of you (Laurie and Courtney), I will NEVER volunteer for BAFN and will send you an email shortly to make sure I'm removed from your email list.

sweet tea

MOD NOTE

ENOUGH.

find a way to disagree without resorting to name-calling.

i'm talking to both sides here.

rbg

I adopted a mean little Yorkie from a reputable rescue group. He's nice, but he bites sometimes.

brooklyngigcenter

sweet tea wrote: MOD NOTE

ENOUGH.

find a way to disagree without resorting to name-calling.

i'm talking to both sides here.

Damn, this was getting good..... :twisted:

eggcream

Loose the attitude. I see you skipped over the part where I said we adopted one of your cats.

And no, it was this past Saturday, see where I wrote "we just walked by there, that wouldn't mean two weeks ago" and it was in the 60's. Hence the reason you were probably ACROSS the street from John Jay, where there is less room, trying to get some sun. The cats were huddled together 2-3 in a cage with some towels on top. I guess it makes them more adoptable. After your posts here I'll never recommend anyone to your organization.


AND TO YOU EGGCREAM WHO WROTE:
"You just walked by there and the cats were freezing cold huddled in the freezing cold?" Was that two weeks ago when it topped 78 or last week when it was 65?

YOU WROTE:
That sucks. I hope the bite wasn't too bad. We just walked by there. They are across from John Jay today. Lots of cats in the freezing cold huddled together. Saw the dog in question. They had another cute small white dog.

longtimesloper

So, in your logic, if someone walks by a dog with a bag of groceries, then the dog will just naturally bite them-huh? What messed up logic! I have walked by tons of dogs while carrying groceries and never been bitten-ever! Including my own dogs! The fact that this dog bit someone just because they walked by with a bag of groceries is seriously messed up and it is someone's fault. your fault and your associations fault for having a dog out there that would do that! The police should have been called immediately!

As for this person taking your money-well, yeah, your animal damaged a possession of his-why shouldn't he take money from you? if my dog did that to someone, I would offer them money!

I can't count the number of times I have walked by your group and dropped money in or played with a dog or cat, that will end immediately and the word will be passed on. And not because I believe this stranger's word so much, I don't know him from Adam. but, the way the people from this group have come on here and spoken is appalling!

beatasum

BAFN has lost any credibility with me as well, just by their response.

There are plenty of other rescue groups which will get my money and time (and a spare room in my apartment for fosters).

anastasia beaverhausen

It's a shame. I hate think poorly of any rescue group. I know how hard it is to eek by on donations, to try to save as many animals as you can but the responses by these two have really put me off this particular group.

bullyboy

Perhaps they should stick to cats. Adding a dog to your life is a complex decision -- one that shouldn't be made on the spur of the moment on the sidewalk because you feel sorry for the animal.

mtrnu

bullyboy wrote: Perhaps they should stick to cats. Adding a dog to your life is a complex decision -- one that shouldn't be made on the spur of the moment on the sidewalk because you feel sorry for the animal.

While dogs might require more work and more space, adopting a cat is in no way a decision which should be made lightly. With any luck, a cat can be with you for 15+ years. It's a serious commitment, which should not be taken lightly

bullyboy

I don't mean to downplay the responsibility of taking any animal into your life. It's huge.

It's just with dogs, there's the whole "outside the apartment" angle to the relationship. If your cat doesn't like other cats, or doesn't like people she doesn't know, it's not that big a deal. With a dog, it's something you have to work with every single day.

See, cats... they get the concept of indoor plumbing...

susanderavish

BAFN has lost any credibility with me as well, just by their response.

Same here. They have done themselves no favors with their hysterical responses in this thread and have potentially cost animals homes now that people are hesitant to deal with them.

I adopted an animal from Laurie a while back and found her demeanor then to be accusatory and irrational. I love my animal now, but I initially ended up keeping him (he was a foster at first) because I didn't trust Laurie and her group to take proper care of him after her disturbing responses to some concerns I had.

raw

Put the beast to sleep or shoot it before it bites into a baby's soft skull. Such things happen:

newsday.com/news/local/newyork/am-baby0104,0,4902519.story
Newsday.com
Dog mauls baby to death in Brooklyn

BY ROCCO PARASCANDOLA
[email protected]
6:55 PM EST, January 3, 2008

An 8-month-old boy was attacked and killed by the family's pet Doberman Pinscher in Brooklyn Thursday afternoon, police said.

The 3-year-old dog, a neutered male named Mackabee who had been a member of the Stein family since he was a puppy, set upon Andrew Stein after he touched the dog's paw inside the family's home on Ocean Parkway, in Kensington, the boy's grandmother told police.

The grandmother, who was babysitting Andrew and was in the kitchen at the time, heard the child scream and ran to see what happened.

"The dog completely destroyed the baby's head," according to building superintendent Leonardo Collado.

The grandmother, Collado said, ran next door and enlisted the help of a neighbor, Jesus Rivera, who pulled the dog off Andrew, brought him back to his apartment and performed CPR on him while his wife, Annette, dialed 911.

But police said it appears the dog had crushed Andrew's skull. Andrew was rushed to Kings County Medical Center, where he was pronounced dead at 3:06 p.m. after doctors worked on him for about an hour.

At the time of the incident, the child's parents - Paula, a teacher, and Brian, a hospital worker - were not home.

The dog was tranquilized by police and placed in the care of the Animal Care and Control Center. The city Department of Health is investigating the attack.

"The health department is evaluating the dog and the circumstances surrounding the incident and will make a recommendation about the animal's future that best predicts the public's safety," a department statement said.

If the department determines the dog is dangerous, and the owner agrees, the animal will be euthanized. If the owner doesn't agree, a law judge could decide the dog's fate after a hearing. Other options include retraining, relocating the dog, or having the dog wear a muzzle, the department said.

Dobermans, experts say, can get overwhelmed by loud voices or by quick moves made by children.

Mackabee, some in the building said, appeared to be well-adjusted, while others said differently.

Collado said he never saw the dog exhibit any aggressive behavior.

"I was surprised,'" Collado said, "but I don't trust those types of dogs.'"

-- Pervaiz Shallwani contributed to this report.

Copyright © 2008, Newsday Inc.

bullyboy

That's dreadful.

Moral: Don't leave your baby alone with your dog. No matter what the breed, no matter how long you've had it.

raw

Subject: Re: First it's your thigh then your ass? Which was it. Liar

lbleier wrote: SIR,WHERE DID THE DOG BITE YOU? First paragraph you say thigh, last paragraph you say ass. Get your lies straight before you defame BAFN a group you know nothing about but lie so outrightly with so little shame!

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. If that dog is anything like lbleier, it is probably a raging psycho path pooch eager to bite more innocent people.

And by the way, lbleier, Sir, sometimes buttocks and the upper back areas of thighs overlap.

mookie wilson

CourtneyBleier wrote: Ok. This has to be settled.

I am the girl that was holding the pit bull that bit you, wherever you say he did. Just to clarify, i was sitting up against the fence with the pit on a 1 foot leash. You walked RIGHT infront of us with a bag of food, with no intention of stopping. We NEVER said it was your fault. We said "thats most likely why he bit you". Clearly you're neurotic because you cant even tell the story correctly. How can you say we "stalled" getting the instructor hoping you would walk away. ARE YOU IN OUR HEADS? DID WE SAY WE WANTED YOU TO WALK AWAY? How dare you put words in our mouths! My aunt was GETTING FOOD. We called her ASAP for you! So stop your lying, and get over it. Youre very rude, and cold-hearted. To take money that was DONATED to us, is so insensitive i cant even tell you. You say you love dogs as much as the next guy, so then why did you take money from our donation bucket?

We never said it was our "sweetest dog". We said she was sweet. I caught you looking at me kissing and getting kissed and playing with the dog by Laurie's car, RIGHT AFTER the "attack". She smelled food, and you walked right infront of her. It is NO ONES fault, we NEVER pointed a finger. Youre stating that we told you it was your own fault, well you are either mistaken or dont remember the situation correctly.

Please dont try to make this sound worse than it really is, your pants were bit, the dog never broke skin. You werent even bleeding. And i am not trying to intentionally make light of the situation, but it really, and truly was NOT a big deal. The dog is a puppy, and puppies bite. YOURE FINE.


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this is really rather shameful.

mookie wilson

booklaw wrote: The fact that money was donated to you does not insulate it or you from damages incurred by dangerous animals in your care.

I love dogs, in spite of the fact that I nearly lost my thumb to a dog bite many years ago. I still carry a prominent scar.
That bite was due to my own stupidity in getting in between two dogs doing their best to kill one another, i.e. trying to stop the fight so as to protect my friend's dog.

In this instance your puppy bit someone doing nothing more terrible than walking down the street. That person could just as easily have been a three year old child holding an ice cream cone.

The puppy's bite was not "no one's fault". It was your fault, for creating a dangerous situation by allowing an aggressive puppy to be within biting reach of passers-by.

The fact that you love dogs does not justify exposing people to the risk of being bit.

the portion of booklaw's post quoted above is precisely on point.

dollface

Mookie Wilson wrote: [quote=booklaw] The fact that money was donated to you does not insulate it or you from damages incurred by dangerous animals in your care.

I love dogs, in spite of the fact that I nearly lost my thumb to a dog bite many years ago. I still carry a prominent scar.
That bite was due to my own stupidity in getting in between two dogs doing their best to kill one another, i.e. trying to stop the fight so as to protect my friend's dog.

In this instance your puppy bit someone doing nothing more terrible than walking down the street. That person could just as easily have been a three year old child holding an ice cream cone.

The puppy's bite was not "no one's fault". It was your fault, for creating a dangerous situation by allowing an aggressive puppy to be within biting reach of passers-by.

The fact that you love dogs does not justify exposing people to the risk of being bit.

the portion of booklaw's post quoted above is precisely on point.

+1

filmlover44

Flexichick wrote: [quote=bullyboy]Perhaps they should stick to cats. Adding a dog to your life is a complex decision -- one that shouldn't be made on the spur of the moment on the sidewalk because you feel sorry for the animal.

While dogs might require more work and more space, adopting a cat is in no way a decision which should be made lightly. With any luck, a cat can be with you for 15+ years. It's a serious commitment, which should not be taken lightly

I have a feral cat who used to bite us all of the time. He still does sometimes. He's an evil little creature, but we love him. That doesn't mean that I leave him alone with little children.

filmlover44

whynot_31 wrote: The ASPCA is called on these groups on a regular basis. When you hear of the ASPCA taking in a large number of dogs and cats at once, it is often because the owner operates under the following logic: No, I can't take care of all of these cats/dogs, but it is better than them being put down.

They convince themselves that the animals have some chance of being rehabilitated and adopted. They convince themselves that the city is evil, etc.

I'm convinced that the groups attract a fringe element, one that is desperate to save animals ...in the worst case scenario they are willing to lie to get an animal adopted, under the logic that the adoption fee will then allow them to rescue more animals.

I am going to get so much email stating that not all rescue groups are like this ....let me say up front "not all rescue groups are like this".

I agree. Frequently people like the ones in this post like animals better than they like people. There are plenty of decent people out there rescuing animals. I know. Before I had kids, I used to pick up every stray that I found or people would just bring them to me.

littlegal

In all my extensive experience with animal rescue groups, BAFN is the worst I have ever come in contact with. I know this might bring the wrath of a few BAFN supporters, but i have worked with lots of groups and I have never been so upset by the way a rescue group takes cares of its animals. I won't go on, but there is a right way to treat animals and educate people and this organization does not get it.

comfortably smug

This is so dumb. They should put all of you to sleep. How this is debated is beyond me.

Dog is under your responsibility. Dog bites someone. Dog biting someone is your responsibility.

What part of this is difficult to comprehend? Focus on the facts people, not on unrelated tangents like how dog shelters are noble and puppies are cute. This is why the LSAT is basically a test of logic and reasoning, because subjective morons have no business trying to interpret the law.