Dog Adoption Agency's Pit Bull Bit Me
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anthonycm wrote: Well, whether the BAFN ultimately does good work or not, I believe this has been nothing but a public relations disaster for the group. Sorry, Ms. Bleier, but as director you have done the BAFN a great disservice over the past few days of posting.
very well said.
I don't pretend to know anything about shelters, adoptions, or even owning a pet, but I do know that when the director of a group acts in such a manner that turns a number of people off, something is going horribly wrong. -
Why wouldn't I throw a conniption. A man logs on here and pretends that one of my dogs bit him when he didn't. He was warned by the volunteers to move away from the dogs with a bag full of groceries. He refused to go after much prodding. Then as he finally leaves and Buster goes toward the bag and grabs his jeans by accident. He extorts $35 from us. Says thats the end of it but it is not. Furthermore the dog is not a pit bull as he claimed. You all jump on his bandwagon and wage war against a rescue group that has been showing in Park Slope for years.
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You don't seem to "get it". Your last post (immediately above this one) suggests that it's fine for a dog to attempt to tear into a bag of groceries carried by a passerby, and that it's "extortion" for the guy whose pants were ripped by the dog to demand recompense.
You seem to suffer from tunnel vision. It's all about the dogs... nothing else matters.
Some of us... dog lovers though we may be... think otherwise. What if the passerby had been a toddler with a hamburger? If the toddler had been bitten, would you see that as his fault? or his parent's?
Or would it be your group's fault for allowing the dog to lunge at a passerby? -
I wasn't going to come back to this thread, but coincidentally, just saw the following link on CNN and thought some of you might be interested:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/10/23/adopting.dogs/index.html
Cheers to you all, and bonne weekend! -
lbleier wrote: Im not sure I would want to adopt my "companion animals" to most of the people on this board. Good Day. Courtney Ill see you Saturday. Bring Erica et al.
I did adopt one of your animals. He is, without a doubt, one of the most loved and spoiled animals in all the five boroughs.
That doesn't mean that you don't need to improve your skills in dealing with the general public as the face of your organization. -
Whatchuwant wrote: Whatever, Anastasia- do you really care???
You are blaming the people who don't want to do business with an unpleasant person and yet are STILL somehow managing to adopt animals elsewhere, like if we don't adopt from her we don't care about Animals? Want to rethink that?
Is it SO important for you to be right and possibly have animals suffer as a result?
I haven't yet talked about my what happened but it was pretty damned unforgivable to me on a personal level and it involved my kid.
Put the blame where it belongs. The only person getting in the way of these animals being adopted needs to take a good hard look in the mirror. -
lbleier wrote: Why wouldn't I throw a conniption. A man logs on here and pretends that one of my dogs bit him when he didn't. He was warned by the volunteers to move away from the dogs with a bag full of groceries. He refused to go after much prodding. Then as he finally leaves and Buster goes toward the bag and grabs his jeans by accident. He extorts $35 from us. Says thats the end of it but it is not.
given the facts that you've conceded yourself -- namely, that your dog tore his jeans -- this strikes me as extraordinarily off the mark. -
Who's mother would bring a toddler with a hamburger into a crowd of dogs I ask you?
filmlover44 wrote" Some of us... dog lovers though we may be... think otherwise. What if the passerby had been a toddler with a hamburger? -
lbleier wrote: Who's mother would bring a toddler with a hamburger into a crowd of dogs I ask you?
Good Lord, woman. Look at this. "Who's [sic] mother would bring a toddler with a hamburger into a crowd of dogs I ask you?"
filmlover44 wrote" Some of us... dog lovers though we may be... think otherwise. What if the passerby had been a toddler with a hamburger?
Seriously. People in Park Slope are going to walk down a sidewalk carrying food. Is it within our rights to expect dogs NOT to lunge at us?
I wish you would take some advice from this thread instead of such offense. PLEASE try to improve the way in which you deal with the community--these are the people you're hoping will give your animals good homes. Many of us here really love animals, even some "armchair rescuers." We don't WANT a hostile relationship with you, but your responses have really led a lot of us against supporting your organization. -
5x5 wrote: [quote=lbleier]Who's mother would bring a toddler with a hamburger into a crowd of dogs I ask you?
Good Lord, woman. Look at this. "Who's [sic] mother would bring a toddler with a hamburger into a crowd of dogs I ask you?"
filmlover44 wrote" Some of us... dog lovers though we may be... think otherwise. What if the passerby had been a toddler with a hamburger?
Seriously. People in Park Slope are going to walk down a sidewalk carrying food. Is it within our rights to expect dogs NOT to lunge at us?
I wish you would take some advice from this thread instead of such offense. PLEASE try to improve the way in which you deal with the community--these are the people you're hoping will give your animals good homes. Many of us here really love animals, even some "armchair rescuers." We don't WANT a hostile relationship with you, but your responses have really led a lot of us against supporting your organization.
Laurie Bleier seems chock full of hostility and to hate this community. It's a shame any organization would have such a belligerent, hostile leader. -
Who would have a crowd of dogs they couldn't control on the sidewalk?
Ms. Bleier, I hope you have good insurance because any decent attorney is going to find this thread and bring it into court when you are sued over the inevitable dog attack to come.
How many people on the jury do you want to call "idiots" and "armchair rescuers"? -
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tajmb wrote: Who would have a crowd of dogs they couldn't control on the sidewalk?
The likelihood of an attack by one of BAFN's dogs is as likely as anybody else's dogs on the crowded streets of PS. This thread will prove nothing as to the potential threat or the possible intention of BAFN. Furthermore we're talking about one instance. Several people have eluded to other situations but have not had the courage to say anything. The only fight that exists on this thread seems to be about an attitude change required of management. There has been no proof of abuse of animals by BAFN. The only abuse seems to be of the high minded "I love animals too so you better appreciate me!"Park Sloppers. BAFN's mission is to rescue animals. I wouldn't presume to be in the same class as them no matter how many foster cats or dogs I pretended to be taking care of.
Ms. Bleier, I hope you have good insurance because any decent attorney is going to find this thread and bring it into court when you are sued over the inevitable dog attack to come.
How many people on the jury do you want to call "idiots" and "armchair rescuers"? -
Is it within our rights to expect dogs NOT to lunge at us?
Evidently not. -
I'm going out on a limb here, without reading the Bill of Rights, but I don't think there's anything about the right to not be lunged at.
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lbleier wrote: Who's mother would bring a toddler with a hamburger into a crowd of dogs I ask you?
I would like to set the record straight. I never wrote that.
filmlover44 wrote" Some of us... dog lovers though we may be... think otherwise. What if the passerby had been a toddler with a hamburger? -
modsquad wrote: I'm going out on a limb here, without reading the Bill of Rights, but I don't think there's anything about the right to not be lunged at.
it's not a constitutional issue. instead, basic principles of tort law apply here: dog owners owe us pedestrians a duty to take reasonable precautions to avoid causing us harm. the question is whether, in a given instance, the dog owner took those precautions. where a particular dog has an aggressive nature that is known to the dog owner, the law is less forgiving. -
Mookie Wilson wrote: [quote=modsquad]I'm going out on a limb here, without reading the Bill of Rights, but I don't think there's anything about the right to not be lunged at.
it's not a constitutional issue. instead, basic principles of tort law apply here: dog owners owe us pedestrians a duty to take reasonable precautions to avoid causing us harm. the question is whether, in a given instance, the dog owner took those precautions. where a particular dog has an aggressive nature that is known to the dog owner, the law is less forgiving.
Exactly, where is it against the law to have a lunging dog? You must agree with Bush/Cheney. If there is a potential threat we must prempt it. Therefore all dogs must be taken off the street if they "lunge" (whatever that means) I can't find a legal definition.
Further more a dog owner, like anybody else has the right to not incriminate himself. Admitting to the aggressive nature of your dog would do that , and be incredibly stupid. -
bleier wrote:
I wrote it, and I stand by it.
filmlover44 wrote" Some of us... dog lovers though we may be... think otherwise. What if the passerby had been a toddler with a hamburger?
I would like to set the record straight. I never wrote that. -
legally, pet owners are required to keep their animals from harming people AND are financially responsible for any damage the animal does. more so, were you to have a dog with a history of, say, nipping people. and you left that dog out with a group of dogs and let ANYONE come near them to pet them, i believe you would be further liable.
i don't come to saying this as a pet lover (which i am), or a rescue lover (which i am). i say this as someone who comes from a family of veterinarians.. this isn't kids' stuff. -
ModSquad wrote: The only abuse seems to be of the high minded "I love animals too so you better appreciate me!"Park Sloppers. BAFN's mission is to rescue animals. I wouldn't presume to be in the same class as them no matter how many foster cats or dogs I pretended to be taking care of.
Now I write:
And I am grateful for ModSquads voice of reason which may untangle a thread who's only mission seems to be to cut the hands off of a decent rescue group because their director and FOUNDER is not polite enough for the whiners.
Really now, who is more of a public nuisance?
Nepenthean who:
• Walked into our adoption area (clearly marked) with a bag full of food and meat
• Teased our dogs with the aroma (dogs smell 200 times better then we do by the way)
• Refused to back off when asked resulting in torn pants
• Extorted $35 from BAFN which would have paid for one low cost spay neuter certificate from muffins.org
• Called the Department of Health on us who we have to report in 6 days that Buster has not died of rabies
• Posted lies on my hometown forum about being bit
• Disappeared into the night like the public nuisance he is?
or Laurie Bleier who:
• Is hot tempered by passion and annoyed by a**holes? -
laurie, it's my opinion that you need to walk away from this thread, take a deep breath, and find yourself an anger management program.
you are too involved and in too deep to see that you're not only hurting your organization. i believe you're making a fool of yourself. you're acting completely unhinged. and you do yourself no favors with this behavior. -
modsquad wrote: [quote=Mookie Wilson][quote=modsquad]I'm going out on a limb here, without reading the Bill of Rights, but I don't think there's anything about the right to not be lunged at.
it's not a constitutional issue. instead, basic principles of tort law apply here: dog owners owe us pedestrians a duty to take reasonable precautions to avoid causing us harm. the question is whether, in a given instance, the dog owner took those precautions. where a particular dog has an aggressive nature that is known to the dog owner, the law is less forgiving.
Exactly, where is it against the law to have a lunging dog? You must agree with Bush/Cheney. If there is a potential threat we must prempt it. Therefore all dogs must be taken off the street if they "lunge" (whatever that means) I can't find a legal definition.
Further more a dog owner, like anybody else has the right to not incriminate himself. Admitting to the aggressive nature of your dog would do that , and be incredibly stupid.
You are clearly not an attorney. -
Someone wrote :And I would only get a cat from a shelter...either a large one (like the ASPCA/Bide-a-Wee or a local shelter). And I've been through the kitten stage (they are nuts!) - love kittens, but I'd adopt an older one next time (not old, just older).
I write:
Did you know how many animals a year the ASPCA takes in a year? 20,000? 10,000?
No, they take in 2700 dogs and cats a year!
They take in puppys, kittens for the most part. Very rarely older, seniors or neglected. Most of their animals are Humane Law Enforcement Cruelty cases where the animal is kept until the trial is over.
NORTH SHORE? They would'nt take in a dog if it was found around the corner. If you adopt one of their puppies they WILL NOT take it back years later if you got in a jam. They bring 100-200 puppies from the South and sell, yes sell them.
BIDE-A-WEE is the same story.
If you don't want to adopt from or donate to BAFN, I implore you to go first to NYCACC at 2336 Linden Blvd. which is mandated to take in more then 40,000 animals a year. Only half the dogs get out alive. Most of those fortunates are cute, purebred types. Cats have a 90% chance of being put to sleep.
The ASPCA, North Shore and Bide-a-way are sitting on collectivley 1 billion dollars in donated money. They dont need this forums donation. Donate to Animal Haven, Kennsington Kittys and Sean Casey. They need you money more.
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booklaw wrote: What if the passerby had been a toddler with a hamburger?
Suppose the Hamburglar had walked by? Or Mayor McCheese? They'd have been ripped to shreds, and there'd be a major lawsuit by McDonald's.
Suppose it had been Meatloaf? -
Meatloaf is big enough to eat the pit bull.
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Thats it! Do you guys seriously not realize that your obnoxious comments are making it worse??? Telling my aunt she needs anger management and shit?? You are all so patronizing, its like you're saying this stupid crap HOPING she would respond in anger, JUST so u can say 'mission complete, laurie is crazy and blah blah blah, she's going to get sued and shut down' !!! Shut up!! If you're all adults, then why the hell are you acting like children? Grow up! It's called defense. You say something rude, we respond rude, and now we're wrong? Get over yourselves, this is so stupid.
Now you're gonna tell me i need anger management, right? haha -
CourtneyBleier wrote: Thats it! Do you guys seriously not realize that your obnoxious comments are making it worse??? Telling my aunt she needs anger management and shit?? You are all so patronizing, its like you're saying this stupid crap HOPING she would respond in anger, JUST so u can say 'mission complete, laurie is crazy and blah blah blah, she's going to get sued and shut down' !!! Shut up!! If you're all adults, then why the hell are you acting like children? Grow up! It's called defense. You say something rude, we respond rude, and now we're wrong? Get over yourselves, this is so stupid.
Now you're gonna tell me i need anger management, right? haha
Maybe you can get a family discount. -
CourtneyBleier wrote: Thats it! Do you guys seriously not realize that your obnoxious comments are making it worse??? Telling my aunt she needs anger management and shit?? You are all so patronizing, its like you're saying this stupid crap HOPING she would respond in anger, JUST so u can say 'mission complete, laurie is crazy and blah blah blah, she's going to get sued and shut down' !!! Shut up!! If you're all adults, then why the hell are you acting like children? Grow up! It's called defense. You say something rude, we respond rude, and now we're wrong? Get over yourselves, this is so stupid.
yes, you do. this is exactly what i mean. these kind of temper tantrums will not get people to respect you or your business. haven't you seen that as this discussion has been escalated, by you and your aunt?
Now you're gonna tell me i need anger management, right? haha
i don't want you to respond it anger, i want you to see how much damage your responses are doing to BAFN. that you can't see that and that you continue to think we're baiting you just furthers that damage and, ultimately, hurts your cause even more. -
Walked into our adoption area (clearly marked) with a bag full of food and meat
Clearly marked as what? Adoption agency with dogs who may attack you if you tease them with the aroma of meat?
• Teased our dogs with the aroma (dogs smell 200 times better then we do by the way)
• Refused to back off when asked resulting in torn pants
• Extorted $35 from BAFN which would have paid for one low cost spay neuter certificate from muffins.org
• Called the Department of Health on us who we have to report in 6 days that Buster has not died of rabies
• Posted lies on my hometown forum about being bit
• Disappeared into the night like the public nuisance he is?
or Laurie Bleier who:
• Is hot tempered by passion and annoyed by a**holes?
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