Dog Adoption Agency's Pit Bull Bit Me
Subject: Dog Adoption Agency's Pit Bull Bit Me
Re: The Brooklyn Animal Foster Network, the ones that set up on Saturdays in front of John Jay HS @7th Ave at 5th St.As I walked by last Monday (Columbus Day), their pit bull lunged at me and bit my thigh. Their first response was suggesting it was my fault because I had a bag of groceries in my arm. They also said that was their sweetest dog. They delayed getting the person in charge (who was across the street), hoping I would just walk away. After I persisted they finally brought over the boss. She offered NO apology whatsoever, but tried to get me to sign a medical waiver! WTF??
I love dogs as much as the next guy. But I was astonished how these people were more concerned about themselves than my fang scarred ass! Keep your children an extra leash-length away from these dogs when you walk by!
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Two Saturdays ago I saw one of their pit bulls attack a man. Luckily they pulled the dog off the man's leg before the dog broke skin.
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yikes...guess they don't do behavioral testing.
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911 should have been called and the dog taken away before it mauls a child.
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My friend was so touched by the dogs in the portable dog adoption center in Park Slope that she took one home with her last year, fell in love with him, then had her heart broken when he had to be put down after he attacked her and her neighbor's child.
Many of those dogs have been abandoned because they have severe behavioral problems. I am ALL FOR pet adoption, but prospective adopting parents need to beware that the dogs they're getting often times have special needs and are not the best behaved! -
Nepenthean, have you spoken with them since? did you sign that waiver? i hate getting those animal people in trouble because they save animals, but they need to be proactive when shit happens.
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I hope you didn't sign the waiver.
When I adopted one of my cats from a rescuer, one of her rescued dogs bit me very badly as I was leaving. She apologized and assured me of no rabies. (This woman is anti-profit and rescues so my animals I wouldn't have sent her my medical bills which were covered by insurance anyway). She also told me she bought the dog to the ASPCA (at that time it was a kill shelter) and strongly recommended it be put down.
These people sound very irresponsible...ALL rescued animals need to be checked for behavioral issues - some can be rehabilitated but unfortunately some should not be put up for adoption. -
That sucks. I hope the bite wasn't too bad. We just walked by there. They are across from John Jay today. Lots of cats in the freezing cold huddled together. Saw the dog in question. They had another cute small white dog.
We adopted a cat from them over a year ago. Never got the papers they promised. But we are happy with the cat and it worked out well. She's neurotic but cute. -
I'm familiar with the people who run the adopt a cat at the Petco in Union Square (Earth angels?). They tried to rescue several cats left by a deli on 17th st. Ended up chasing them into the subway station. I have to say without a doubt all of those people are pretty much like the animals they rescue, basically abandoned by their families by their own choice or the family's. They are just as feral as the cats and dogs they pawn off.
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modsquad wrote: I have to say without a doubt all of those people are pretty much like the animals they rescue, basically abandoned by their families by their own choice or the family's. They are just as feral as the cats and dogs they pawn off.
I hope you are just referring to the Earth Angels crew and not to animal rescue groups in general (and even still, that seems a bit harsh). There are many perfectly good rescue organizations out there run by responsible and genuinely caring people (and I'll add in "socialized" to counter the "feral"). They do the community a great service in saving animals from death and helping find them homes.
I just adopted a great dog (former pound puppy) from Waggytail Rescue. I met her foster mother, who was wonderful. You can tell my dog was in a very loving and caring home before I got her. I also had some contact with Bideawee and Posh Pets Rescue; while I didn't wind up getting a dog from either of them, all the people I dealt with seemed very together.
I don't doubt that there are some animal rescue groups out there who aren't as responsible as others, but please don't write them all off because of a bad experience you have had. These people do a service to the community. Those groups who need to tighten up their ships should be helped, not written off as nut jobs.
My apologies also to the OP who suffered the bite. Hopefully the group will learn from their mistakes and be more careful about which dogs they bring to adoption events...or that the proper authorities will be notified to give them the "guidance" they need. -
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i see no inconsistency in his post. his use of the phrase "fang scarred ass" strikes me not as an attempt to describe precisely where he was bitten, but rather to make a little bit of light of an unpleasant situation. if your puppy tore his jeans, then i hardly think he "extorted" you by asking that you pay for them.
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I have no information about the dog biting or bitingS as the various posts seem to indicate. I do have to back up Eggcream though. I walked by yesterday 10/19 too. At about noon it was cold outside, very breezy. I doubt it was 65 as you claim. I looked in the cages and saaw several different kittens/cats that were literally shivering. I wasn't sure if it was the cold or just fear. One of them (mostly black with some white maybe) had a runny nose. Maybe that was the cold or maybe the kitty is just sick.
Some of the cages were draped with towels, but not all. My honest reaction at the time as a long time cat owner/lover was that they needed more protection. I thought that before coming home yesterday and reading about all this. -
To BAFN: I doubt very seriously the dog in question "knew" it was on some euthanasia list.
Having read over the BAFN materials, it's very clear that you believe that animals can do no wrong. A (shelter) dog owner myself, I recognized the woman with the pit yesterday as someone with whom I've had run-ins in the park, due to her insistence that an aggressive pit needed to be "socialized" at the risk of other dogs in the area.
I'm sure you'll disagree, Laurie, but you *do* have a responsibility to the public if you're going to have dogs on the street or in the park. If they don't know how to be "appropriate" in either setting, they have no business being there. You can blame humans all you want, but by having these dogs out where they can behave "inappropriately," you do more harm than good to your own cause.
There are many, many non-aggressive dogs in shelters that need homes -- and just as many of those are euthanized because you want to take on the cause of those dogs that don't fit in with our city society. -
I am fostering two kittens from Kensignton Kitties right now. They were also out on 7th Avenue and moved all of the cats onto their little bus because they were shivering and it was too cold to be outside.
I wasn't there (obviously), so can't speak to where the poster was bitten, but $35 does not cover the cost of a pair of jeans these days.
I support animal shelters because for the most part they do great work. That said, if an animal is too unpredictable or not well socialized enough to be in public, they don't belong there. That dog probably needs some fostering until it is calm enough to be around people and eventually be adopted. -
Subject: Re: First it's your thigh then your ass? Which was it. Liar
lbleier wrote: SIR,WHERE DID THE DOG BITE YOU? First paragraph you say thigh, last paragraph you say ass. Get your lies straight before you defame BAFN a group you know nothing about but lie so outrightly with so little shame!
Yeah, whatever. LAWSUIT! LAWSUIT! LAWSUIT!
The dog in question a 7 month old puppy excited to be out of his cage and out of the shelter where he was on the euthanasia list DID lunge at this man and grabbed him by his jeans. Only as an inappropriate gesture to get him to say hello. No blood, no bite no harm.
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Subject: Re: First it's your thigh then your ass? Which was it. Liar
lbleier wrote: SIR,WHERE DID THE DOG BITE YOU? First paragraph you say thigh, last paragraph you say ass. Get your lies straight before you defame BAFN a group you know nothing about but lie so outrightly with so little shame!
If this is your best defense of what happened, then it speaks loudly of your attitude about your dogs biting passersby - precisely the point of my post.lbleier wrote: The dog in question ... DID lunge at this man and grabbed him by his jeans.
This is laughable. How do dogs "grab" things? With their teeth!lbleier wrote: Only as an inappropriate gesture to get him to say hello.
When dogs bite people, isn't that all they're doing, just trying to "say hello?"lbleier wrote: No blood, no bite no harm.
So your official position is if the dog's bite did not punture the skin deep enough to draw blood, it's okay AND you can state that the bite didn't even take place.lbleier wrote: I did appear 15 minutes later when called about the matter.
Why would you take fifteen minutes to just cross the street when one of your animals has just bitten a passerby?lbleier wrote: We gave him $35 to buy a new pair of jeans and I thought we left on good terms.
as you hoped I wouldn't file a complaint with the Dept. of Health and the ASPCA.lbleier wrote: Then I get a google alert and read this. Proof: in the first sentence the man says "he bit my thigh". In the last though he mentions "my fang scarred ass!"
As Mookie Wilson's post explains my use of the term "fang-scarred ass," I was bitten on the thigh, as you saw with your own eyes, where the dog tore my jeans open at the seam, before his teeth reached my skin. I've got the photos to prove it. You want to talk about lies?:lbleier wrote: As you screamed about suing us and extorted $35 from our little group people shook their heads at your insane pettiness and I calmed them down.
First of all there was no screaming. Secondly, I never made any such threat to sue anyone. Your very first words to me were an offer to compensate me for my jeans, so there was no extortion. And by even using that word, you suggest that you would feel no obligation to reimburse me. My anger about this incident has much less to do with the dog biting me, but more about how you and your organization handled it. You never once apologized. And that is my reason for posting the incident here. -
I need a new pair of jeans. Where was that dog located?
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superjonbot wrote: I need a new pair of jeans. Where was that dog located?
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when last seen he was hanging off Nepentaeans butt -
Subject: Re: First it's your thigh then your ass? Which was it. Liar
lbleier wrote: Really, why lie? We have adopted out hundreds of animals in front of John Jay and posts like yours are just so dangerous to the well being of hundreds more.
Actually, I think posts like yours are far more dangerous than his. Thanks for "setting the record straight." :roll: -
Subject: Dog Bite
If you know how to handle a dog it would not bite you, and would not have to be put down.
I can’t believe a Vet would kill a dog before the dog was checked out by a trainer. -
It’s not the dogs that cause harm, it’s the people.
Everyone that has the adoption events are trying to save the animals from being put to death. -
petsitter07 wrote: It’s not the dogs that cause harm, it’s the people.
Right, if dogs were left on their own they would never attack humans. I mean, who's ever heard of a wild dog attack? -
Holy Crap! After reading the letter by their "director", I am apalled. That woman is CRAZY!! You can't hide all that bitterness and misanthropy under the guise of being a dog lover Laurie. Seriously. Disgusted.
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petsitter07 wrote: It’s not the dogs that cause harm, it’s the people.
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True, i'm so tired of those man bites dog headlines, but fortunately in almost every case the man is put down. -
Subject: Dogs
I know I'm going to be pounced on... These people obviously do good work but I have seen two instances in which they appear to be a bit unstable, as the e-mail from "Laurie" suggests. Last spring I saw a dog lunge at a passerby and the response of the people in charge was to blame the victim. "You shouldn't have gone behind him!" Is "Laurie" licensed? So many small children walk past that school on weekends... I'm not convinced these people have their safety in mind. But I know in saying that I'll be accused of being an animal-hater or something. -
I think what it comes down to is that some rescues are more responsible than others. This particular rescue sounds shaky - not all rescues are like that. Some rescues feel more of a responsibility in terms of what types of animals they put up for adoption, what type of homes they would like for their animals, how to present the animals, etc., etc. It's called using good judgement and it doesn't sound like this particular group uses it.
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I was passing this location this past summer, and I saw several cats baking in the sun, and obviously miserable from the heat. I asked the adoption people to please move their cages back a few feet so that they'd at least be in the shade, but they gave me such a freakin' hard time about it, it turned into a huge argument. I was wondering what their actual concern was about the health and welfare of the animals, and considering the posts above about shivering kitties, I sense a trend.
And considering the hysterical email from lbleier, I am getting a better sense of this operation.
BTW, this contrasts starkly with the adoption effort that takes place every weekend on 7th near the Key Food. Those people seem to take much better care of the animals than the ones in front of JJHS.
There should be some kind of rules/regulations/laws regarding these efforts. I really appreciate that people want to find loving homes for these animals, but making them suffer during the process is just as cruel as putting them down. -
Subject: Re: Dogs
Laddie Din wrote: I know I'm going to be pounced on... These people obviously do good work but I have seen two instances in which they appear to be a bit unstable, as the e-mail from "Laurie" suggests. Last spring I saw a dog lunge at a passerby and the response of the people in charge was to blame the victim. "You shouldn't have gone behind him!" Is "Laurie" licensed? So many small children walk past that school on weekends... I'm not convinced these people have their safety in mind. But I know in saying that I'll be accused of being an animal-hater or something.
You'll only get pounced on if you walk by their dogs. -
there is no licensing for Laurie. Rescue groups are completely unregulated. Most don't even have non-profit status.
They are driven by the belief that no dog should ever be put down.
Given the problems with supply (too many dogs looking for a home) and demand (not enough homes looking for a dog) ...some dogs will end up having to be put down.
Their inability to accept this fact, likely prohibits them from focusing on offering the most adoptable dogs to the public. So, they try to get even the meanest dogs adopted, which likely plays a role in this incident.
...nobody likes to see a dog be put down, but until people start spaying their dogs it has to happen. ...if you tell me I'm a dog hater, I'll have my dog lick you. -
BrooklynGigCenter wrote:
The group you are referring to is Kensignton Kitties. They are fabulous and I have two teeny babies in my house now being plumped up for adoption.
BTW, this contrasts starkly with the adoption effort that takes place every weekend on 7th near the Key Food. Those people seem to take much better care of the animals than the ones in front of JJHS.
There should be some kind of rules/regulations/laws regarding these efforts. I really appreciate that people want to find loving homes for these animals, but making them suffer during the process is just as cruel as putting them down.
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