Dog Adoption Agency's Pit Bull Bit Me
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bebevonbernstein wrote: They won't take the dog back -- again, read the BFAN website and you'll see that they basically say it's YOUR problem, YOU took on this commitment, YOU should deal with it and find the finances, time, and energy to deal with this commitment that YOU undertook -- and then the dog ends up back in a shelter. It's a vicious cycle.
Please tell me where their website says this, I can't find it.And in answer to Modsquad, many reputable agencies do temperament testing these days. It's still relatively new, and some of the tests are controversial, but the good shelters are trying to make good, lasting matches for the dogs they take on.
So it sounds like you're against these rescue groups since they don't have the capability to administer these new and controversial temperament tests. I adopted my 2 dogs from Pikes Co. Pa. Humane Society. The facility consisted of a double wide and 3 converted garages for the animals. As far as I could tell there was no "Animal Behaviorist" on staff, yet this place was charged with picking up and adopting out all the strays in Pike County Pa. I suspect that most dog pounds outside of elite NYC suburbs are more like this. -
Have to disagree. It is a big deal. We have a cat we adopted 10 years ago and this cat we adopted from these JJ people is around 5 or 6 and they do not like each other at all. They are usually only in the same room when one of us is home. They each have their own litter boxes in separate rooms. They sleep in separate rooms. As a matter of fact the one we've had for 10 years, we adopted his sister as well and every now and again he would attack her. She died and that's why we got the other. Everyone said get a kitten but I don't think that would have mattered.
bullyboy wrote: I don't mean to downplay the responsibility of taking any animal into your life. It's huge.
It's just with dogs, there's the whole "outside the apartment" angle to the relationship. If your cat doesn't like other cats, or doesn't like people she doesn't know, it's not that big a deal. With a dog, it's something you have to work with every single day.
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bebevonbernstein Is this the test you are talking about?
http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/temptestingfrancis.pdf
This is their website in case anybody wants to become a minister and get non profit status. I think you can also preform weddings.
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BrooklynGigCenter wrote: [quote=modsquad][quote=LongTimeSloper][quote=Flexichick]BAFN has lost any credibility with me as well, just by their response.
Here, here!
There are plenty of other rescue groups which will get my money and time (and a spare room in my apartment for fosters).
Explain to me what good that would do? Wouldn't that be similar to the embargo against Iraq where all of you liberals were bleating about the poor little Iraqi children suffering? What do you think will happen to all the animals they are caring for? If anything one of you do gooders should belly up and write some PR stuff for them so they don't commit blogger suicide.
At least we liberals show some compassion.
Well, I'm not a liberal and have plenty of compassion...especially when cats dictate my life and a big fat one takes over my bed and my morning bagel. -
Eggcream is right, pet loving (and hating) crosses all social lines.
All those pheasant hunters with their dogs.... Big dudes with rifles giving thier labs and beagles a hug... -
modsquad wrote: [quote=willregistersoon][quote=modsquad]Nepenthean, I have to say I think you are the dishonest one here. If you indeed accepted money for your damaged pants, then that should have been the end of it.
I disagree. I am happy the OP posted this because I will now make a concerted effort to steer clear of the dogs sitting in front of the school when I walk by. Even more so when I'm with my 2 year old son. I always assumed they were well trained and obedient animals sitting out there, but apparently not.
Then he shouldn't of taken the money. That is dishonest. There was a pact made. If the money was not enough then he should of had the balls to say so and the integrity to give the money back. If the OP wanted to warn the neighborhood about a menace then he should do so, that is noble but the fact he took the money makes his honesty suspect. What if they had given him $100 or $200? Do you think he would of warned us then?
I thought the money was for the ripped jeans. Not "pay off" money to keep his mouth shut. "Pssst! Here's $25. Just don't mention this to anyone!" -
willregistersoon, why would they give him any money if they knew he was going to try and destroy them on a blog. Yes it was "pay off" money. It was an attempt to rectify a wrong. They thought they had a deal.
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I registered now for this site because I heard how this dog and BAFN were being trashed.
This dog is not a menace. I am laurie's roommate and Buster has been with us for a few weeks. I have a five year old son who plays with this dog and Buster is the most affectionate and non-violent dog I've ever come across.
My son has been training him to do tricks and he is very teachable. He is mostly lab and dalmation with only a bit of pit.
BAFN does a lot of good work to keep animals from being needlessly killed. The cats there that day were saved from the kill list.
This guy is making a mountain out of a mole-hill. BAFN is a volunteer organization with people who commit their time and resources along with having full-time jobs. -
Mookie Wilson wrote: [quote=booklaw] The fact that money was donated to you does not insulate it or you from damages incurred by dangerous animals in your care.
the portion of booklaw's post quoted above is precisely on point.
I love dogs, in spite of the fact that I nearly lost my thumb to a dog bite many years ago. I still carry a prominent scar.
That bite was due to my own stupidity in getting in between two dogs doing their best to kill one another, i.e. trying to stop the fight so as to protect my friend's dog.
In this instance your puppy bit someone doing nothing more terrible than walking down the street. That person could just as easily have been a three year old child holding an ice cream cone.
The puppy's bite was not "no one's fault". It was your fault, for creating a dangerous situation by allowing an aggressive puppy to be within biting reach of passers-by.
The fact that you love dogs does not justify exposing people to the risk of being bit.
Agreed. The portion of booklaw's post quoted above is precisely on point.
I'm all for saving animals and ending the suffering of cats, dogs, sheep, birds, cows, pigs, you name it, but public safety (of humans) comes first. Anyone bringing an animal into a public space must be able to physically control, restrain, and prevent that animal from harming people and other animals.
There's plenty of blame to go around when it comes to dog bites and abused rabbits. Laissez-faire adult pet owners who make half-assed attempts to train dogs and give bunnies to five year old humans must be stopped. -
Nepenthean, another thing you forgot to mention is that you did in fact contact the Department of Health. The notice came today in the mail. I will be happy to fax it to anyone who would like to see it. You led all of these people to believe you were looking for advice when in fact you knew what you did all along. You have done more than make a mountain out of a molehill, you have put in jeopardy an organization that has saved hundreds upon hundreds of animals in Park Slope over the years. Your mean spirit amazes me. You told us you were not hurt. You asked for $35 for your jeans and we gave it to you. Now the pound of flesh you are seeking is coming from the animals. Here is a video of the dog in question taken an hour before the incident.
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modsquad wrote: Nepenthean, I have to say I think you are the dishonest one here. If you indeed accepted money for your damaged pants, then that should have been the end of it. If indeed you wanted something else like some sort of public apology included you have no business taking the money. I think BAFN has shot themselves in the foot but if they thought they had made amends to you only to see this thread you started then I can understand their outrage. For the most part people like BAFN do more good than harm.
why shouldn't the $35 compensate him for his damaged property, and the post serve as a warning to others in the neighborhood? there's nothing inconsistent in requesting the first while doing the second. in fact, it's called being a good neighbor. -
Nepenthean, wrote we asked him to sign a medical waiver.
This is utter BS. This is an absolute bald faced lie. We don't have medical waivers???????????
And what kirby wrote below is also utter fiction:
Two Saturdays ago I saw one of their pit bulls attack a man. Luckily they pulled the dog off the man's leg before the dog broke skin.
Nepenthean, you have attracted to this forum a bunch of liars and the people unwittingly responding to your information should know better then take gossip for truth. This is a dangerous forum and many of you should be ashamed you have bought into it. -
bebevonbernstein wrote: If they are adopting out aggressive dogs, whether or not they are "saving" dogs is immaterial. Rescues that adopt out dogs with behavorial issues -- guilting people into taking the dogs that are on death row! -- and then blame the new owners who can't control the dogs really are doing a disservice to responsible shelters out there. It's also the reason that so many people end up getting dogs from breeders -- because they've gotten a problematic dog from a rescue.
Amen. I took home a rescue dog (not from this agency, actually from a more "reputable" and respected agency) who bit my three year old. We returned the dog. The same agency placed another dog who bit a mailman and in that case, the law required that the dog be put down. Properly placing aggressive dogs in appropriate environments would save everyone lots of trouble and heartbreak.
Again, if you read BAFN's website, they are all about blaming the people (walking on a public sidewalk with groceries indeed!) -- ANYthing to deflect from the fact that a dog with problems needs a very specific home with an experienced owner. That type of owner certainly doesn't come from sitting outside a high school with a bunch of dogs on the weekend. -
lbleier wrote: Nepenthean, wrote we asked him to sign a medical waiver.
Hell, this may be a great dog but your attitude really sucks. I didn't like you before, for reasons that I will not publish here, and I like you even less now.
This is utter BS. This is an absolute bald faced lie. We don't have medical waivers???????????
And what kirby wrote below is also utter fiction:
Two Saturdays ago I saw one of their pit bulls attack a man. Luckily they pulled the dog off the man's leg before the dog broke skin.
Nepenthean, you have attracted to this forum a bunch of liars and the people unwittingly responding to your information should know better then take gossip for truth. This is a dangerous forum and many of you should be ashamed you have bought into it. -
It looks like EVERYBODY lies about BAFN if you believe Laurie, her roommate and her relative. I sense enough of a pattern and enough negative stories that I know I will not support this group.
Even more than the stories....it's the approach and attitude of their management which has turned me off for good.
And on that note, this entire conversation has consumed too much space in my brain. I will attempt to ignore any future comments.
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Flexichick wrote: It looks like EVERYBODY lies about BAFN if you believe Laurie, her roommate and her relative. I sense enough of a pattern and enough negative stories that I know I will not support this group.
well said, flexi. +1
Even more than the stories....it's the approach and attitude of their management which has turned me off for good. -
Subject: Re: First it's your thigh then your ass? Which was it. Liar
To Mookie Wilson
OP's intention was not to be a good neighbor it was to extract a pound of flesh.Nepenthean wrote: You never once apologized. And that is my reason for posting the incident here.
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We apologized profusely. End of story.
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Do better behavioral testing on your dogs.
kthanxbai -
Eggcream wrote: "Have to disagree. It is a big deal. We have a cat we adopted 10 years ago and this cat we adopted from these JJ people is around 5 or 6 and they do not like each other at all. They are usually only in the same room when one of us is home. They each have their own litter boxes in separate rooms. They sleep in separate rooms. As a matter of fact the one we've had for 10 years, we adopted his sister as well and every now and again he would attack her. She died and that's why we got the other. Everyone said get a kitten but I don't think that would have mattered. "
It doesn't matter where you got a cat from...I have raised 4 separate cats, all adopted at 6 months or younger...raised all of the same...and all of them had totally different personalities. And one can be rather nasty. Personally, I'll probably never get a kitten again...I'd rather get an older cat where the personality is already fored. -
maybe it was a feral cat.
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Smitty, he was 3 months old when I got him and sweet as can be - the woman I adopted from is very honest about feral cats - she normally just traps, neuters/spays and releases - she only puts them up for adoption if it turns out their personalities are non-feral...his personality started changing after 6-8 months...very strong minded and smart, wants affection only on his terms (although I have to say he never liked being held for long periods) - he's actually gotten nicer in his old age (I do love him to death)....their personalities just vary.
And I would only get a cat from a shelter...either a large one (like the ASPCA/Bide-a-Wee or a local shelter). And I've been through the kitten stage (they are nuts!) - love kittens, but I'd adopt an older one next time (not old, just older).
I don't know much about BAFN - I just don't want people to bash all the private shelters - they provide a service to these poor unwanted animals (so many would have to euthanized if it wasn't for these independent rescuers) -
All due respect, Peanuts, this is one thing I don't get: for every dog with issues that they take on, there are many more GOOD dogs that DO get euthanized in shelters that don't have the space to take care of them. THAT's a tragedy . . . that a dog with issues is taking up a home that could and should go to a great dog.
And you can bet, after having a bad experience, that family won't adopt from a shelter again (if indeed they ever end up getting another dog in the first place).
You know, 3/4 of the dogs in shelters don't find homes -- doesn't it make more sense to focus on those animals that can safely be placed rather than using up time and resources trying to manage the dogs with issues? -
my kitteh was hand-raised from the age of 1 week, and the sweetest kitten and alpha cat of her litter. a few years into having her i brought home a kitten... that kitten tortured the kitteh till she moved into the closet and lost 2 pounds. the kitten was given to a new home.
and the kitteh, now 14, gets meaner by the day. at first she tolerated people, then she avoided people, now she just attacks people (except flexi, who is an animal whisperer.) the boyfriend, however, has lived there for 13 months and she still hates his guts -
I've seen BFAN set up across from John Jay- is that the only place they set up? I ask because this past weekend my wife and I walked by the pet store on 7th Ave between 5th and 4th (?) and there was a pet adoption agency with rescue dogs set up out front (I don't think they were associated with the pet store). They had three dogs: a Rottweiler, a cute Rott/Shepard mix, and a snarling Poodle. We let our dog play with the Rott mix but that poodle was going freakin' crazy. My wife and were like "good luck adopting that."
I'm certainly going to be more careful around these pet adoption groups in the future. The last thing I fuckin' want is some antisocial dog taking a bite out of our small dog (I don't really care if I get bit in the ass). -
:-) Brooklyn Potter, my bad boy is not that bad! He loves visitors - but I do warn them that he may lash out if he decides he doesn't want you to pet him anymore.
And Bebevonbernstein...I just don't want to see rescuers trashed....I watch a lot of the Animal Planet shows and my favorite is the one on the ASPCA (although that's ending)...they actually do rehabilitate a lot of these animals (or bring them to sanctuaries that can handle them) - sometimes they do have to euthanize them.
Maybe if there was actual jail time for people that abuse/abandon their animals, there wouldn't be so much animal cruelty and we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
You probably know that last week 64 cats were abandoned - no way Animal Care could take all of them....private rescuers will give these cats a second chance (although I'm sure some have already been euthanized as they weren't in great shape) -
of course not all rescuers are bad -- but my point is that there are many rescuers who take on these unmanageable dogs as a matter of principle. And you raise an excellent point about rehabilitation -- is BAFN doing anything to make the dogs better dogs, or merely keeping them until they can be passed off to a guilty member of the public?
Which would you rather see euthanized, a dog that, for whatever reason, can't safely exist in a society such as ours -- or a great dog whose 14 days have run out due to the space limitations of the shelter he's in? Resuers can choose to spend their time and resources on either . . . -
bebevonbernstein said: of course not all rescuers are bad -- but my point is that there are many rescuers who take on these unmanageable dogs as a matter of principle. And you raise an excellent point about rehabilitation -- is BAFN doing anything to make the dogs better dogs, or merely keeping them until they can be passed off to a guilty member of the public?
Which would you rather see euthanized, a dog that, for whatever reason, can't safely exist in a society such as ours -- or a great dog whose 14 days have run out due to the space limitations of the shelter he's in? Resuers can choose to spend their time and resources on either . .
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Excellent, excellent points you bring up! All too often, rescuers are lead with their hearts instead of their minds - resulting in very poor judgement being used and in very sweet, adoptable dogs/cats going to sleep. -
brooklynpotter wrote: my kitteh was hand-raised from the age of 1 week, and the sweetest kitten and alpha cat of her litter. a few years into having her i brought home a kitten... that kitten tortured the kitteh till she moved into the closet and lost 2 pounds. the kitten was given to a new home.
Look for my cat whisperer show on National Geographic starting this fall :-)
and the kitteh, now 14, gets meaner by the day. at first she tolerated people, then she avoided people, now she just attacks people (except flexi, who is an animal whisperer.) the boyfriend, however, has lived there for 13 months and she still hates his guts -
while you're filming in exotic gambia, can i kidnap your cat jackson?
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