Dog Adoption Agency's Pit Bull Bit Me
Comments
-
In 2007 BAFN rescued 735 from euthanasia at NYCACC
In the same year BAFN paid $36,000 in medical expenses
In the same year BAFN paid $2200 for training
In the same year BAFN had 1 return to nycacc by an adopter
In the same year BAFN euthanised 3 dogs that were deemed dangerous to the public
Please visit our testimonials page to see what people have written about us by clicking here: http://brooklynanimalfosternetwork.org/testimonials.html -
brooklynpotter wrote: while you're filming in exotic gambia, can i kidnap your cat jackson?
Stella will miss him too much. You can come visit them both. -
modsquad wrote: bebevonbernstein Is this the test you are talking about?
Still waiting for an answer regarding the above.
http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/temptestingfrancis.pdf
This is the website
http://www.atts.org/index.html
You also said, " They won't take the dog back -- again, read the BFAN website and you'll see that they basically say it's YOUR problem, YOU took on this commitment, YOU should deal with it and find the finances, time, and energy to deal with this commitment that YOU undertook". If you can point me to the part of their website that says that, I will donate $100 to any dog pound you want in your blog name of course.
I think BFAN deserves some criticism for the way they have handled this situation but I hardly think they deserve to be put out of business. Look at their pictures on the Petfinder web site, hardly the evidence of chronic abuse that some of you imply. Let's face it an organization like theirs runs on a pretty narrow margin and if the cats seem a little overcrowded some days then donate some money. What do you think they do with the money, spend it on their 2nd homes in the Hamptons? For you people who are going to boycott them and wish to ease your conscious by presuming that other rescue organizations will pick up their animals, well you know that won't happen. I love animals, currently have 2 dogs, 2 cats, one is feral lives in my partially completed ceiling but I would never do what these people do.
PS I will donate $100 to BAFN if you don't answer, to offset the damage you have caused by your slander. -
I think BFAN deserves some criticism for the way they have handled this situation but I hardly think they deserve to be put out of business
I don't understand the problem with talking about bad experiences people have had with an organization. I agree these people are doing good for the animals, but there is clearly room for BAFN to improve in a number of areas. Like it or not, public relations is a vital component of any organization, even (or perhaps, especially) a charity. You need to be able to talk with people in a civil and professional manner. I am not just talking about this incident. This is not the first time I've read about problems people have encountered in dealing with some of the people in BAFN, and I had my own unpleasant and disturbing experience with them. I have never talked about it in detail here or in any other forum as I didn't want the animals to have to pay for the personal shortcomings of some of their rescuers. But the vehement statements here that such complaints should be swept under the rug and never shared publicly is odd to me. -
lbleier wrote: Nepenthean, another thing you forgot to mention is that you did in fact contact the Department of Health. The notice came today in the mail. I will be happy to fax it to anyone who would like to see it. You led all of these people to believe you were looking for advice when in fact you knew what you did all along. You have done more than make a mountain out of a molehill, you have put in jeopardy an organization that has saved hundreds upon hundreds of animals in Park Slope over the years. Your mean spirit amazes me. You told us you were not hurt. You asked for $35 for your jeans and we gave it to you. Now the pound of flesh you are seeking is coming from the animals. Here is a video of the dog in question taken an hour before the incident.
After watching this video, I'm to feel what? That a dog that rips the pants off a person and is stopped before ripping the person's skin is a good thing to expose people too?
If the person's jeans were ripped, other things could have been ripped too.
Stop blaming the victims: the person that was not protected, the dog that was not supervised, the jeans that died, and the company that was not properly served or professionally represented by its employees.
I will not boycott any company that helps animals, but agree that there's always room for all companies to improve.
Be glad no one died. This incident might wake up all dog owners and prevent more serious dog. -
susanderavish wrote:
Why are you so vague? You don't think by mentioning the above it doesn't harm the animals you imply you are so concerned about?
I don't understand the problem with talking about bad experiences people have had with an organization. I agree these people are doing good for the animals, but there is clearly room for BAFN to improve in a number of areas. Like it or not, public relations is a vital component of any organization, even (or perhaps, especially) a charity. You need to be able to talk with people in a civil and professional manner. I am not just talking about this incident. This is not the first time I've read about problems people have encountered in dealing with some of the people in BAFN, and I had my own unpleasant and disturbing experience with them. I have never talked about it in detail here or in any other forum as I didn't want the animals to have to pay for the personal shortcomings of some of their rescuers. But the vehement statements here that such complaints should be swept under the rug and never shared publicly is odd to me. -
Modsquad: You clearly have a problem with temperament testing, and you clearly feel that we should all be throwing money and volunteer time at an organization when we don't necessarily agree with the way they do business. You can send your money wherever you want.
-
Nepenthean WROTE:
I'm to feel what? That a dog that rips the pants off a person and is stopped before ripping the person's skin is a good thing to expose people too?
THAT IS THE POINT. THE DOG NEVER TOUCHED YOUR SKIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND YET YOU CALLED THE BOARD OF HEALTH! YOU DUPED THIS ENTIRE BOARD.
I ACTUALLY HAVE A MIND TO SUE YOU FOR SLANDER.
BUT I AM TOO BUSY WITH TWO FULL TIME JOBS. WEBSITE DEVELOPMENT AND ANIMAL RESCUE.
WHAT DO YOU DO WITH YOUR SPARE TIME?
APPARENTLY THIS IS IT.
AND MODSQUAD, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. IM AFRAID YOU WILL BE OUT $100 BUT WE WON'T HOLD YOU TO IT. -
Laurie - Raw wasn't the orginal poster of this thread. You've got yourself in such a foam that you're not reading correctly.
-
Yes I know it was Nepenthean. And why wouldn't I be in a foam after reading all of this. Thanks Anastasia. Is that a boxer?
-
lbleier wrote: Nepenthean WROTE:
I'm to feel what? That a dog that rips the pants off a person and is stopped before ripping the person's skin is a good thing to expose people too?
THAT IS THE POINT. THE DOG NEVER TOUCHED YOUR SKIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND YET YOU CALLED THE BOARD OF HEALTH! YOU DUPED THIS ENTIRE BOARD.
I ACTUALLY HAVE A MIND TO SUE YOU FOR SLANDER.
BUT I AM TOO BUSY WITH TWO FULL TIME JOBS. WEBSITE DEVELOPMENT AND ANIMAL RESCUE.
WHAT DO YOU DO WITH YOUR SPARE TIME?
APPARENTLY THIS IS IT.
AND MODSQUAD, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. IM AFRAID YOU WILL BE OUT $100 BUT WE WON'T HOLD YOU TO IT.
International Caps Lock Day was yesterday.
http://capslockday.com/ -
lbleier wrote: YOU DUPED THIS ENTIRE BOARD.
Ms. Bleier, I have not been duped by anyone. You don't seem to be able to recognize that what people are responding so negatively to is not just the OP's account of what happened or the comments of the others here who have had bad experiences with your organization. Go back and read the thread and you will see that people are reacting negatively to you and your irrational responses.
I ACTUALLY HAVE A MIND TO SUE YOU FOR SLANDER.
Modsquad, you have made your opinion clear repeatedly. Why can't you just accept that others disagree? Your comments are not changing anyone's mind and requesting that they defend their positions isn't going to change yours. Spend your money as you see fit and others will do the same. -
First of all, anyone can set themselves up as a rescuer (and there's a fine line between some rescuers and hoarders). Rescuers are unregulated, and though I've no doubt that they all get into it with the best of intentions (including Laurie), I personally find some of them to be misguided in the way the go about saving and placing animals.
It bears repeating that for every dog with issues they pull out of the CACC here, a great dog then has to get put down unless a home can be found for it (which, if we're playing the averages, most of the time doesn't happen). Every shelter I know struggles with funding -- unfortunately there are too many dogs and too few resources to take care of them all. We don't live in a perfect word, where there's enough homes for the good dogs -- never mind the iffy ones.
I choose to side with the dogs that will make great family pets (like my own awesome shelter dog) as opposed to the ones that can't be "streeted" because they can't safely be around other dogs or other people (and after all, we live in a city, and our dogs are going to encounter people and other dogs on a very regular basis).
And at the end of the day, I have to ask the question: Really, where's the fun in having a dog like that anyway? -
I am actually a good friend of the woman who runs Brooklyln Animal Foster Network and must step in to say something here. If you were involved in animal rescue you would feel the misery and sadness everyday of these poor souls. These large dogs are not vicious at all. In most cases the reasons they are turned in are because people use them to breed for pups and can't be bothered with the mom or pop. Then the poor dogs are terribly abused and turned in like a piece of garbage. If they are active or jump on people its becuase they are finally recognizing that there is a chance and they feel "real life". This woman is a saint to get them out of death row thru no fault of there own except for there digusting owners and try to give them a fair chance at another life.
And as a note about grapping clothes, etc. small dogs are more fiesty, more tempermental, and bite people even more than large dogs. Its just that those little dogs are deemed "cuties" so they are excused. Have a heart and some patience. Most people have never been in animal control and seen how miserably sad and very depressed they are. Everything in the shelter system is traumatic for these poor animals, all of them.
Have a heart and some understanding before you pass judgement. Alot of you people out there have no conception of the horrors that go on in these shelters. -
*sigh* How many "witnesses" are you going to call forth? Honestly, my desire to distance myself from BAFN is due to the numerous frothing comments left by Laurie, her neice, her neice's friend and now ^^ this friend. I think we all understand how a good dog goes bad - the point is that a good-dog-gone-bad should never have been in a situation where he was close enough to lunge at/connect teeth with a passerby. MCohen, your arguement goes right in the toilet when you post condescending comments such as "Alot of you people out there have no conception of the horrors that go on in these shelters."
-
Question bebevonbernstein...Have you ever rescued a dog from the euthanasia list? Have you even ever been to the kill shelter on Linden Blvd or any kill shelter you claim to know so much about. How dare you presume you know what is best for dogs in the shelter (42 were put down at 8:30 this morning by the way)? Honestly, have you ever been to 2336 Linden Blvd? Fostered a homeless pet? Adopted one? Held a dying animal? Climbed under a fence through mud to grab abandoned starved puppies. Have any of you on this forum who claim to know so much about rescue groups and hoarders. Go ahead bash me for this now.
bebevonbernstein wrote:
It bears repeating that for every dog with issues they pull out of the CACC here, a great dog then has to get put down unless a home can be found for it (which, if we're playing the averages, most of the time doesn't happen). Every shelter I know struggles with funding -- unfortunately there are too many dogs and too few resources to take care of them all. We don't live in a perfect word, where there's enough homes for the good dogs -- never mind the iffy ones.
I choose to side with the dogs that will make great family pets (like my own awesome shelter dog) as opposed to the ones that can't be "streeted" because they can't safely be around other dogs or other people (and after all, we live in a city, and our dogs are going to encounter people and other dogs on a very regular basis).
And at the end of the day, I have to ask the question: Really, where's the fun in having a dog like that anyway? -
Actually, Laurie (and I did say you had the best of intentions, did I not?), I have one shelter dog now and have previously had 3 cats, all of them from the ASPCA. And oh yes, I've been to many shelters that euthanize animals, and have seen animals euthanized.
None of which I think qualifies me for sainthood.
While we're on the subject, I've also been to some great shelters that go to great lengths to find appropriate homes for their dogs -- and some of which euthanize dogs who they deem temperamentally unsuitable to safely place in a home. I agree with their policy that it is much more humane to euthanize a dog than it is to have that dog live out its life in a shelter because it can't safely be placed.
Which once again brings me to my key point, which you have never addressed: for every troubled dog you take out of the shelter, that means a good one probably dies (unless a home is found for it). Are these good ones not as worthy of saving as the more troubled dogs? -
I was at high-kill county shelter, much like the Brooklyn CACC for two years. I never had to euthanize a dog myself but I was involved in making *the* list at times, and it was hard. Of course we wanted to save them all--the staff there were all avid dog lovers, almost to a fault, but we did what we all agreed was best for the animals.
We had to remember to make decisions rationally, and leave our emotions aside for the benefit of the animals and the community. Many of our dog adopters were first time dog owners, so we were careful to match them with dogs we felt they could handle. In the end, the adopter is happier and likely to return to shelters and suggest it to others, and the dog is well-cared for and happy. We never had a shortage of great adoption candidates.
I think many people on here understand what happens at shelters like the CACC, have fostered animals, or made other efforts to help these animals. They love animals but are concerned about both the dogs and adopters in relation to this rescue group. If the group listens here, they might find some ways to help their organization. An outside opinion can be helpful sometimes.
My experience with BAFN. We were walking past their JJHS set-up one day (maybe last fall). My bf and I slowly approached a dog tied to a fence (no person attending to it) and were suddenly told to get away from him because he was aggressive and might bite. I (calmly) asked why they had such a dog out tied to a fence where anyone could approach and got a lecture on how it's cruel to leave a dog alone just because we have to leave our houses. Having a dog that is known to be potentially dangerous out and only somewhat monitored, is incredibly irresponsible in my book and we've avoided that group since.
...I've spent far too much time reading this thread. Back to work. -
I do want to make a point. I am not sticking up for anyone here. I am sticking up for the shleter dogs that deserve a change, despite the abusive treatment and horrific conditions many of them are subject to. And again,
and dog can be snippy. Stop over-reacting and having so much drama over this. Aren't there so many other issues to argue about. Give these dogs a break and understand that the ones that are for adoption are the ones that do no have mental problem and are forever "Screwed Up".
If you understand that you wouldnt be so nasty and downright critical.
Give this woman and the cause she represents a chance, the way this is played out here is unreal and utterly ridiculous.
Enough.... -
MCohen wrote: Stop over-reacting and having so much drama over this.
you're kidding, right? your friend took this argument to a whole other level by coming to the board and being nasty and accusatory and, frankly, acting like a petulant child.
there have been other people who have felt this board has spoken harshly of them--a particular vet, for example, comes to mind off the top of my head. and he came here and he was polite and helpful and explanatory. you might still not like him, but nobody lost more respect for him after his visit.
i'll tell you right now, after reading the way this woman has come here and gone out for blood there's no way i'd let her take care of a house-plant. -
Yes, BP, we have had a few examples of store owners or service providers coming in to hear issues and work on solutions in a proactive manner (e.g. Piero from the restaurant whose name escapes me at the moment, the vet example you cited, and the owner of the Mexican restaurant who changed his stance on tomatoes after reading some comments). All handled with much more professionalism and courtesy than anything I have seen out of BAFN
-
Lock this thread. Agree to disagree about what happened and how it was handled. It's good to know there are so many animal lovers around though.
I think there should be a thread about euthanizing people who abuse animals. -
susanderavish wrote: I have never talked about it in detail here or in any other forum as I didn't want the animals to have to pay for the personal shortcomings of some of their rescuers. But the vehement statements here that such complaints should be swept under the rug and never shared publicly is odd to me.
Me too. Never talked about it for the same reasons. Fortunately there are lots of other organizations out there that have pets who need a home, so I never have to deal with this unpleasant person again. -
agree that thread should be locked. Let's put this to rest.
Mods? -
bebevonbernstein wrote: Which once again brings me to my key point, which you have never addressed: for every troubled dog you take out of the shelter, that means a good one probably dies (unless a home is found for it). Are these good ones not as worthy of saving as the more troubled dogs?
And you, bebevonbernstein, have never responded to what you said about BAFN not taking back a problem animal.
" They won't take the dog back -- again, read the BFAN website and you'll see that they basically say it's YOUR problem, YOU took on this commitment, YOU should deal with it and find the finances, time, and energy to deal with this commitment that YOU undertook" -
Flexichick wrote: International Caps Lock Day was yesterday.
Cut me to the bone Flexichick,
Your wit has withered me dick.
Arr! -
modsquad, I think bebevonbernstein's silence should be taken as a plea of "no contest".
I looked at thier website, and could also find nothing of the sort. They may state such things in person (but I have no knowledge of same). Bebevonbernstein stated such things were written, and thus appear to be without merit.
let's move on.... -
Last word on the subject:
Check out the page on their website entitled: Before You Give Up Your Pet.
I stand by my reading of that page. You are, of course, free to disagree. -
bebe I know you dont want to keep on about this and I am in no way antagonizing you but I just checked their website under Before you Give up your pet but did not find anywhere where it says they will not take it back. In fact on their applications for fostering and adopting it is very clear:
adoption form (scroll down)
http://fs12.formsite.com/bafn/form401662302/index.html
and the foster form
http://brooklynanimalfosternetwork.org/join.html
I happen to think that it was handled poorly but like all situations there is BAFN's version, the OP's version and the true version. I just don't want to see animals suffer because of the attitude of the director and totally think that no matter what they do they mean well. I also think that all animals should at least have a chance and who is to say that someone who adopts that dog, will not be able to train it properly. -
Again, everyone is free to disagree with me; mine is not a literal quoting of their site but a paraphrasing based on their attitudes here and on the site itself (ie, if you have problems with your landlord and your pet, then move; if you're having allergies, go to the doctor and get meds, etc.).
By all means, if you think they are doing good things and have wonderful dogs, I would encourage each and every one of you to adopt one from them (I'd just be careful if you're wearing jeans while carrying groceries).
If not, there are certainly many other shelters out there who can use the money and support, too.
Howdy, Stranger!
Categories
- 40K All Categories
- 27.1K Neighborhoods
- 5.1K Crown Heights/Prospect Lefferts Gardens
- 7.1K Prospect Heights
- 2.3K Fort Greene, Clinton Hill, Bed-Stuy
- 8K Park Slope
- 549 Williamsburg, Greenpoint, Bushwick
- 442 Flatbush/Midwood/Ditmas Park
- 657 BoCoCa (Boerum Hill, Cobble Hill, Carroll Gardens)
- 151 Red Hook
- 104 Gowanus
- 304 Bay Ridge/Bensonhurst
- 130 Coney Island, Brighton Beach, Sheepshead Bay
- 270 Brooklyn Heights, DUMBO and Downtown
- 598 Windsor Terrace / Kensington
- 673 Greenwood Heights and Sunset Park
- 749 Brooklyn and Beyond
- 6.3K Stuff
- 86 Brooklyn Back When
- 1.2K Brooklyn Pets
- 257 Brooklyn Kids
- 241 Brooklyn Eats
- 51 Brooklyn Booze
- 3.6K The Lounge / Random Stuff
- 611 Brooklyn Politics
- 122 Brooklyn Sports and Fitness
- 111 Brooklyn Photos
- 339 Site Issues
- 8 Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
- 6.2K Listings
- 1.1K APARTMENTS and REAL ESTATE
- 1.3K Sales Openings Events
- 2.3K The Classifieds